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Topic: Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 21/04/26 00:07:00

Keir Starmer made a dreadful error of judgment in choosing Mandelson in the first place but there is no evidence that he deliberately misled Parliament.  Indeed Olly Robbins has not argued that he told Starmer about the failed vetting. On the contrary,  Robbins’ position (according to his friends) is that the vetting committee  only acted in an advisory capacity and that it was for the Foreign Office to decide whether Mandelson’s appointment should receive clearance. In the event Foreign Officials decided that the appointment should go ahead. So in Olly Robbins’ view Mandelson passed his developed vetting and that is what his officials told Number Ten. They saw no need to tell Keir Starmer that the vetting committee had advised against the appointment and indeed convinced themselves that it would be illegal to convey this information to Number Ten. Even the Cabinet Secretary when she found out about the vetting committee’s decision in March debated with colleagues in the civil service about whether she should tell Starmer. So it is illogical to support Olly Robbins’ version of events and at the same time accuse Starmer of lying.

As it happens, Robbins and other Foreign Office officials acted very foolishly. They should not have ignored the vetting committee’s advice and certainly should not have done so without informing Number Ten. If they were worried about compromising the confidentiality of the vetting process they could simply have told Number Ten the fact that the vetting committee had advised against Mandelson’s appointment without going into the reasons. When Starmer told Parliament that Mandelson had passed his vetting, Robbins and his officials should have realised that Starmer was under the impression that the vetting committee had actually approved the appointment and that his how Parliament and the country would have understood the situation. By keeping silent on the true circumstances they were allowing the Prime Minister to give misleading information.

In my opinion Starmer ought to resign, not because he lied to Parliament, but because he is an utterly inept Prime Minister. The appointment of Peter Mandelson is just the latest example of his ineptitude. The only problem is that he would be replaced by someone even  worse.So I would like him to call a general election.

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 16:42:00 Sue Hammond
   Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 17:07:00 Sue Hammond
      Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 20:12:00 Michael Brigo
         Re:Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 20:30:00 Sue Hammond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 20:50:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 09:26:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 20:59:00 Robert Wheeler
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting16/04/26 22:11:00 Andy Pike
   Reply16/04/26 23:33:00 Michael Ixer
   Reply16/04/26 23:52:00 Sue Hammond
      Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 00:16:00 Sue Hammond
      Re:Reply17/04/26 00:25:00 Steven Rose
         Reply17/04/26 08:49:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Reply17/04/26 09:24:00 Andy Pike
               Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 09:33:00 Michael Brigo
                  Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 10:46:00 Andy Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 15:05:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 15:28:00 Andy Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 16:49:00 Michael Brigo
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 17:24:00 Andy Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 18:49:00 Michael Brigo
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 20:01:00 Andy Pike
                                       Reply17/04/26 21:45:00 Michael Brigo
                                          Re:Reply17/04/26 21:47:00 Michael Brigo
                                             Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 22:34:00 Andy Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply18/04/26 00:08:00 Michael Brigo
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/04/26 07:25:00 Andy Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/04/26 07:36:00 Michael Brigo
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/04/26 09:16:00 Andy Pike
                                          Reply17/04/26 22:34:00 Michael Ixer
   Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 09:37:00 Steven Rose
      Reply17/04/26 09:46:00 Martine Guy
         Reply17/04/26 10:24:00 Martine Guy
            Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 13:14:00 Sue Hammond
               Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 13:30:00 Robert Wheeler
                  Re:Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 15:08:00 Michael Brigo
               Re:Starmer Lied Over Mandelson’s Vetting17/04/26 13:41:00 John Hawkes
                  Olly Fights Back17/04/26 15:08:00 Sue Hammond
                     Re:Olly Fights Back17/04/26 15:47:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Olly Fights Back18/04/26 16:29:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Olly Fights Back17/04/26 16:02:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Olly Fights Back17/04/26 16:55:00 Michael Brigo
                           Re:Re:Re:Olly Fights Back17/04/26 17:06:00 Robert Wheeler
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Olly Fights Back17/04/26 18:47:00 Michael Brigo
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Olly Fights Back18/04/26 16:32:00 John Hawkes
                                 Reply18/04/26 19:01:00 Michael Brigo
                        Reply17/04/26 17:29:00 Sue Hammond
                           Re:Reply17/04/26 18:46:00 Steven Rose
                              Re:Re:Reply17/04/26 18:51:00 Michael Brigo
      Reply17/04/26 21:44:00 Michael Brigo
   Reply18/04/26 11:53:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply18/04/26 14:17:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply18/04/26 16:58:00 John Hawkes
            Reply18/04/26 17:29:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Reply18/04/26 19:58:00 Steven Rose
                  Reply18/04/26 20:59:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply18/04/26 21:13:00 Robert Wheeler
                        Reply19/04/26 00:39:00 Sue Hammond
                           Re:Reply19/04/26 10:00:00 Jonathan Callaway
                              Re:Re:Reply19/04/26 10:31:00 Steven Rose
                                 Reply19/04/26 11:23:00 Michael Ixer
                                    Re:Reply19/04/26 11:46:00 Alexander MacLeod
                                    Re:Reply19/04/26 11:47:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Reply19/04/26 12:33:00 Robert Wheeler
                                    Re:Reply19/04/26 12:46:00 John Hawkes
                              Labour's new candidate to replace Starmer steps up with exciting  progressive policy19/04/26 12:31:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Reply19/04/26 13:17:00 Ivonne Holliday
   Reply19/04/26 13:27:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply19/04/26 13:53:00 John Hawkes
         Reply19/04/26 17:22:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply19/04/26 18:57:00 Jonathan Callaway
               Reply19/04/26 20:12:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply19/04/26 20:03:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Reply19/04/26 20:28:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Reply20/04/26 10:15:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/04/26 11:45:00 Philippa Bond
               Reply19/04/26 21:05:00 Michael Ixer
                  Re:Reply19/04/26 21:17:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Reply19/04/26 21:26:00 Steven Rose
                     Reply19/04/26 22:11:00 Michael Ixer
                        Re:Reply20/04/26 10:29:00 Philippa Bond
   Reply20/04/26 09:23:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply20/04/26 10:22:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Reply20/04/26 10:46:00 Ivonne Holliday
      Re:Reply20/04/26 11:53:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply20/04/26 18:38:00 Sue Hammond
            Re:Re:Re:Reply20/04/26 19:02:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/04/26 19:35:00 Robert Wheeler
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/04/26 20:39:00 Ivonne Holliday
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/04/26 13:39:00 John Hawkes
               Reply20/04/26 20:03:00 Sue Hammond
                  Re:Reply20/04/26 21:23:00 Ivonne Holliday
                     Reply20/04/26 21:48:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Reply20/04/26 22:25:00 Ivonne Holliday
                           Re:Re:Reply21/04/26 00:07:00 Steven Rose
   Reply20/04/26 22:37:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply21/04/26 18:02:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply21/04/26 18:29:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Reply21/04/26 19:31:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply21/04/26 20:18:00 Robert Wheeler
                  Reply21/04/26 23:29:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply22/04/26 14:37:00 John Hawkes
                        Reply22/04/26 15:04:00 Michael Ixer

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