| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Peaceful march of Jews in London to support Israel...... | |
| Posted by: | John Hawkes | |
| Date/Time: | 15/12/23 12:08:00 |
| Ms Holliday Re your reply to Mr Rose. 1) Are you aware that Hamas is proscribed in the UK because it is legally deemed to be a terrorist organisation ? Hence - 'It is a criminal offence to belong to or invite support for a proscribed organisation or wear clothing which could be seen to support the group'. So you should perhaps be careful what you state publicly. 2) Hamas has no authority to fight for the rights of Palestinians on the West Bank for two reasons. Firstly it has no electoral mandate to do so as is the case also in Gaza. Winning elections is not as much fun as murdering women and children for these misogynistic thugs. Also the West Bank is under the control of the Palestinian Authority controlled by Fatah, another unelected Islamist group, led by Mahmoud Abbas. Both Hamas and the PA both prefer relishing victimhood rather than, as Israel has done, take a patch of desert and turn it into one of the world's most wealthy and innovative hi-tec economies. 3) Though I never had anytime for the IRA who chose to bomb and maim innocent British citizens rather than seek a political resolution to their claims for extended Irish independence, they were not invading the UK nor did they claim to want the UK obliterated from the face of the earth. This is what Hamas are doing to Israel and what their objectives are. You have read the Hamas Charter ? I quote from Wikipedia. "Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy." - Mahmoud al-Zahar, co-founder of Hamas. The original, 1988 version of the charter emphasize four main themes: Destroying Israel and establishing an Islamic theocracy in Palestine is essential. Unrestrained jihad is necessary to achieve this. Negotiated resolutions of Jewish and Palestinian claims to the land are unacceptable. Historical antisemitic tropes that reinforce the goals. The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, rejects political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children. Article 6 - Hamas is uniquely Palestinian, and "strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned". It claims that the world will descend into chaos and war without Islam, quoting Muhammad Iqbal. Article 7 - describes Hamas as "one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders" and claims continuity with the followers of the religious and nationalist hero Izz ad-Din al-Qassam from the Great Arab Revolt as well as the Palestinian combatants of the First Arab-Israeli War. It ends with Sahih al-Bukhari's hadith Muslim 2922, suggesting that the Day of Judgment would not come until the Muslims fight and kill the Jews. Article 13 - There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer Article 17 - Declares the role of women in Islamic society to be the "maker of men". It condemns Western organizations such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, and intelligence agencies as "saboteurs" for promoting subversive ideas on women. Article 18 - Defines the role of women as homemakers and child-rearers, providing education and moral guidance to men. Article 22 - Makes sweeping claims about Jewish influence and power. It specifically claims that the Jews were responsible for instigating multiple revolutions and wars, including the French Revolution, World War I, and the Russian Revolution. It also claims that Jews control the United Nations (sic), and that they are supported by "the imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East". Article 28 - Conspiracy charges against Israel and the whole of the Jewish people: "Israel, Judaism and Jews". It claims that "Zionist organizations" aim to destroy society through moral corruption and eliminating Islam, and are responsible for drug trafficking and alcoholism. Article 32 - Hamas condemns as co-plotters the "imperialistic powers" seeking to corrupt all Arab countries one by one, leaving Palestine as the final bastion of Islam. States that the Zionists' plan is set forth in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and that they intend to expand their control from the Nile to the Euphrates. 4) Israel, having been attacked by a group that has murdered its citizens and seeks to obliterate it certainly has the right to try to eliminate its members. It is not trying to eliminate all Palestinians. This is exactly what we did in WWII to protect ourselves and in retaliation after being invaded by another racist and fascist group the German Nazis. In doing so innocent people suffered then and also after Israel responds now particularly when groups like Hamas infiltrate their terrorist forces into the civilian population. 5) There are not 'two perpetrators' in the Israel/Hamas conflict if by perpetrator you mean 'initiators'. Hamas initiated this conflict with its 7th October massacre of civilian Israeli Jews. Israel's consequent 'perpetration' is one of retaliation and self defence. Finally I am beginning to wonder at your understanding of this conflict and other matters of historical significance if you claim the Battle of Britain against Nazi Germany was fought by Poles ! |