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Topic: Re:Lower Richmond Road
Posted by: Richard Hodges
Date/Time: 18/12/09 13:49:00

I have to agree with Simon and Bunny on two key points.

As both driver and pedestrian (much more the latter), it's very rare to see any vehicle exceeding the 30mph speed limit. That includes very early hours on a Sunday morning (when I most often drive there).

It is also important to recognise the pedestrian's responsibility. Nationally, seven out of ten pedestrian accidents are primarily caused by the pedestrian - stepping out without looking, stepping out from behind parked cars, messing in the road. Funnily enough, the things Dave Prowse was telling us not to do 35 years ago. That rises to more than 4 in 5 for children. (both are figures from recent RRCGB reports by the DfT). I have little doubt the figures would be even more biased for London where, unlike rural roads, almost every road has a pavement.
For a more pratical experiment, take a window seat in one of the coffee shops on the High Street, and count how many fail to observe the Green Cross Code and endanger themselves. While you're at it, count the breaches by other road users. RCGB also supports this, with the astonishing frequency of pedestrian accidents within 50 yards of a designated crossing, but not on the crossing itself.

LRR itself has numerous designated crossing points, as it should - it is a significant, if not major, road on the London network. There's little justification for not using them, and if you do, you have to act responsibly. All the side roads are quiet, and can't be taken at speed by vehicles.

Pedestrians have to accept more responsibility for their actions - it's basic physics that in any interaction between one body <100kg and another of 1-40 tonnes, one is going to come off worse, no matter what the speed.

I do support the 20mh ideas on the various residential 'blocks' of side streets around Putney, despite them being unenforced and unenforceable. But the LRR is a significant road, carrying singificant amounts of traffic. That includes both busses and emergency vehicles. Reducing the limit would not smooth the flow on the road, it will cause increased congestion. That has impacts for Bus timing, emergency vehicles, and especially triggering more pedestrians to skip the designated crossings as they see stationary traffic in one lane (and promptly step into the path of a car coming the other way, or an obscured motorbike or pushbike, or find themselves standing in the middle of the road as the stationary traffic starts moving).

This is not a scenario analysed by either of the recent reports into 20mph zones, and I'm pretty sure the effect will be more incidents.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Lower Richmond Road12/12/09 17:04:00 Ruth Wyman
   Re:Lower Richmond Road12/12/09 17:09:00 Rose Kelland
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road12/12/09 17:12:00 Victoria Richardson
         Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 19:08:00 Victoria Richardson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 10:29:00 Barbara Stevens
   Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 20:56:00 Anoh Appiah
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 21:27:00 Martin Hime
         Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 22:14:00 Andrew Taskis
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 10:07:00 Simon Knight
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 10:56:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 11:11:00 Francis Forman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 11:36:00 Andrew Taskis
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 12:41:00 Guy Sunda
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:16:00 Richard Carter
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 22:58:00 Andrew Taskis
               Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:11:00 Anoh Appiah
                  Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:24:00 Simon Knight
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:31:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:39:00 Simon Knight
                           Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:48:00 Anoh Appiah
                              Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 20:07:00 Simon Knight
                                 Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 21:45:00 Richard Carter
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 08:21:00 Simon Knight
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 09:43:00 Adam Tripp
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 09:50:00 Richard Carter
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:20:00 Adam Tripp
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:23:00 Richard Carter
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:38:00 Simon Knight
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:57:00 Caroline Whitehead
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 11:06:00 Richard Carter
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 12:23:00 Martin Hime
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 14:16:00 Simon Knight
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 14:49:00 Richard Carter
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 14:59:00 Simon Knight
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 20:54:00 M Blissett
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 06:56:00 Simon Knight
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 08:52:00 Richard Carter
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:10:00 Simon Knight
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:18:00 Richard Carter
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 14:13:00 Simon Knight
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 23:16:00 M Blissett
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 08:09:00 Simon Knight
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 09:32:00 M Blissett
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 09:46:00 Simon Knight
                              Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 18:59:00 Roy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:47:00 Bunny Payne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:58:00 Richard Carter
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 10:22:00 Bunny Payne
                                          Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 13:49:00 Richard Hodges
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 10:41:00 Adam Tripp
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 10:59:00 Barbara Stevens
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 11:20:00 Richard Carter
   Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 14:50:00 Vic Condon
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 15:05:00 Caroline Whitehead
   Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 10:16:00 Barbara Stevens
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road05/01/10 12:43:00 Christine Fleming
         Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road09/01/10 11:49:00 Barbara Stevens

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