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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road
Posted by: Richard Carter
Date/Time: 15/12/09 21:45:00

Actually, Simon, it's not as simple as that: children around in school time, no one out of term time - because there are always people around in the day time in residential areas and often at night as well - and a good driver may be able to judge conditions (but may also make mistakes), but unfortunately not every driver is a good one. That's why we have speed limits: because it's not safe to leave it to people's judgement how fast to drive because you just can't trust everyone.

30 mph limits are good, but 20 mph ones are even better: and if you doubt their effectiveness, try reading the paper just published in the British Medical Journal: the study examined all the 20mph zones introduced in London and covered the period 1986-2006. This is what they found: "The introduction of 20 mph zones was associated with a 41.9% (95% confidence interval 36.0% to 47.8%) reduction in road casualties, after adjustment for underlying time trends. The percentage reduction was greatest in younger children and greater for the category of killed or seriously injured casualties than for minor injuries. There was no evidence of casualty migration to areas adjacent to 20 mph zones, where casualties also fell slightly by an average of 8.0% (4.4% to 11.5%)." This study (the full paper can be read at http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/339/dec10_3/b4469) is very powerful evidence for 20 mph limits - remember, the injuries received by pedestrians when hit by a vehicle are very sensitive to the vehicle's speed.

And there's a more fundamental point here: quite apart from the dangers it poses for other road users (not excluding drivers, of course) what is the point of going faster? If you travel along the LRR from the junction opposite Putney Hospital (as was) to the junction with Putney High Street at a steady 30 mph, compared with someone doing a steady 20 mph (as if, with the traffic as it is, either one of those was possible), you'll get there a little over half a minute quicker. What use is this piddling amount of time, especially set against the dangers it creates?

We really need to rethink our values on this, and it relates to so many other things that are wrong in our society: the crazy consumerism, the pressure to do things quicker (for what?), the waste of resources in driving what Thatcher, in one of even her most useless statements, called "the great car economy." - and this at a time when even the world leaders are dimly becoming aware that we can't go on like this, not that it will produce anything worthwhile in Copenhagen though in a rational world it ought to.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Lower Richmond Road12/12/09 17:04:00 Ruth Wyman
   Re:Lower Richmond Road12/12/09 17:09:00 Rose Kelland
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road12/12/09 17:12:00 Victoria Richardson
         Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 19:08:00 Victoria Richardson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 10:29:00 Barbara Stevens
   Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 20:56:00 Anoh Appiah
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 21:27:00 Martin Hime
         Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road14/12/09 22:14:00 Andrew Taskis
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 10:07:00 Simon Knight
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 10:56:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 11:11:00 Francis Forman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 11:36:00 Andrew Taskis
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 12:41:00 Guy Sunda
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:16:00 Richard Carter
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 22:58:00 Andrew Taskis
               Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:11:00 Anoh Appiah
                  Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:24:00 Simon Knight
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:31:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:39:00 Simon Knight
                           Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 19:48:00 Anoh Appiah
                              Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 20:07:00 Simon Knight
                                 Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road15/12/09 21:45:00 Richard Carter
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 08:21:00 Simon Knight
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 09:43:00 Adam Tripp
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 09:50:00 Richard Carter
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:20:00 Adam Tripp
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:23:00 Richard Carter
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:38:00 Simon Knight
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 10:57:00 Caroline Whitehead
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 11:06:00 Richard Carter
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 12:23:00 Martin Hime
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 14:16:00 Simon Knight
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 14:49:00 Richard Carter
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 14:59:00 Simon Knight
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 20:54:00 M Blissett
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 06:56:00 Simon Knight
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 08:52:00 Richard Carter
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:10:00 Simon Knight
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:18:00 Richard Carter
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 14:13:00 Simon Knight
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 23:16:00 M Blissett
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 08:09:00 Simon Knight
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 09:32:00 M Blissett
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 09:46:00 Simon Knight
                              Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road16/12/09 18:59:00 Roy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:47:00 Bunny Payne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 09:58:00 Richard Carter
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 10:22:00 Bunny Payne
                                          Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 13:49:00 Richard Hodges
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road17/12/09 10:41:00 Adam Tripp
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 10:59:00 Barbara Stevens
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 11:20:00 Richard Carter
   Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 14:50:00 Vic Condon
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road18/12/09 15:05:00 Caroline Whitehead
   Re:Lower Richmond Road19/12/09 10:16:00 Barbara Stevens
      Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road05/01/10 12:43:00 Christine Fleming
         Re:Re:Re:Lower Richmond Road09/01/10 11:49:00 Barbara Stevens

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