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Topic: Re:British Jews
Posted by: John Hawkes
Date/Time: 23/05/24 16:06:00

Ms Grant

This may seem simplistic and I do not want to be patronising but to me the vast majority of Jewish citizens are totally British, differing from me only in the religion they adopt.

They no more want to change my way of life or attack me than do the Methodists !

I do not think this is the case with Muslims whose religion is a far more circumscribing 'way of life'.

It also gives the impression that it decrees it is the duty of its adherents to both withdraw from many aspects of the way the majority lives and to impose its mores on them.

I am sure the anti-Israeli pro-Palestine zeitgeist we are experiencing does have antisemitism at its root for why otherwise should the British feel so sympathetic to Arabs ?

To be blunt, what are they to us especially since the atrocities of last October and the terrorist attacks Islamists have inflicted on this country in recent decades ?

And why do those Arabs that choose to leave their homeland and live here think that any discrimination and disadvantage they might feel is caused by Jews ?

Is it that we have so little to complain about concerning our own way of life that we, especially the younger generations, take on the woes of others; suffering by proxy ?

Especially ironical in that some might describe Islam as misogynistic and homophobic; attitudes they would certainly abhor. 

And of course you would know better than me that antisemitism is also founded on shame and jealousy as has been the case for millennia.

Again not wanting to take a stereotypical view, Jews have always had the need, attitude and ability to look after each other and 'do well in life'.

And some resent this whether it reflects their own inadequacies in not being so successful or shame because of their lack of effort.

My own grandmother who, widowed at forty with three children and little if any state support, used to walk miles to clean for Jewish families in north London.

Some of her comments were not always 'acceptable' but they were based on class differences and ignorance and the country then was not at all ethnically diverse.

Today anti-Israel attitudes come mainly from a so called 'educated' middle class with a guilt complex and are certainly a cover for ongoing anti-semitism.

This is bourn out by the increase in anti-semitic attacks you reference.

And finally, though it might not be my place to say it, but if your 'friends' can't understand what has happened in the Middle East and distance themselves from you, were they friends worth having ?

PS 'Myths and Facts. A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict' ISBN 1537152726   

   


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?10/05/24 10:23:00 John Hawkes
   Reply10/05/24 11:12:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply10/05/24 13:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply10/05/24 13:55:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply10/05/24 13:57:00 Thomas Jones
   Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?12/05/24 22:46:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?13/05/24 17:36:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 10:29:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 11:05:00 Hugh Thompson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:05:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?21/05/24 17:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:22:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 18:37:00 John Kettlekey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 20:31:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 21:39:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:15:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:07:00 Lucille Grant
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 13:54:00 John Hawkes
                     Reply16/05/24 10:02:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Reply16/05/24 15:26:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:02:00 John Kettlekey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:36:00 Jane Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 19:46:00 Steven Rose
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 15:37:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 16:20:00 Robert Wheeler
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 18:34:00 Jane Carter
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:18:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 09:52:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:11:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 19:39:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 21:42:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 23:37:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 08:38:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:02:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:37:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:44:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 21:59:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 22:21:00 Andy Pike
                           Re:  What are the Red Cross doing?20/05/24 09:24:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?20/05/24 10:37:00 John Hawkes
   Reply19/05/24 12:22:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply19/05/24 12:54:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 10:56:00 John Hawkes
   Reply20/05/24 13:00:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply20/05/24 13:02:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 14:40:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 15:34:00 John Hawkes
               Reply20/05/24 15:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 16:59:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply20/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply21/05/24 11:21:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re21/05/24 18:57:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:05:00 John Kettlekey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:55:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:12:00 John Hawkes
                  Reply22/05/24 12:32:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply22/05/24 14:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Reply22/05/24 17:57:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 11:58:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:57:00 Steven Rose
                  British Jews22/05/24 16:15:00 Lucille Grant
                     Re:British Jews23/05/24 16:06:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 15:45:00 Lucille Grant
         Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:12:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:16:00 Lucille Grant
            Reply22/05/24 17:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Who governs Britain ?24/05/24 13:08:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 17:52:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 18:50:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 21:35:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 22:20:00 Lucille Grant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 27/05/24 11:03:00 Philippa Bond

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