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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 15/05/24 19:46:00

You are right. I was concentrating on the question of what Israel should do differently. At least John Kettlekey had a go at answering this question, which I respect, though I don’t agree with his view.

But to address his questions:

1) As regards the hostages,  only around half have been released, which is disappointing. Unfortunately Hamas’s price for releasing the remaining hostages, a complete Israeli withdrawal, is unacceptable. This would leave Hamas in control of Gaza, ready to strike again. As regards eradicating Hamas, 20 of Hamas’ 24 battalions have been dismantled according to the IDF. Hamas has all but been defeated militarily, which is why their only hope is that pro-Palestinian demonstrators will put pressure on Western governments to suspend support for Israel.

2) Though John Kettlekey did not frame this in the form of a question, I don’t agree with the view that a more moderate leader than Netanyahu would agree to a ceasefire. The BBC have propagated the trope that the Israelis want peace but the obstacle is Netanyahu ‘s right wing government. Netanyahu is unpopular because he allowed the attack of October 7 to take place but opinion polls show  that the majority of Israelis support the campaign to eradicate Hamas as a military force.

3) The dreadful missile strike on on the aid workers clearly shows that it is not possible to justify every attack carried out by the Israelis. War by its very nature is chaotic and mistakes are made. But I believe that the Israelis do not deliberately target civilians. Many civilians have undoubtedly died, but it is an exaggeration to claim that tens of thousands have died. Of the 35000 Palestinians who have died according to the Hamas ‘Health Ministry’, it is likely that almost a half are actually Hamas militants, some of whom may have participated in the atrocity of October 7.

4) Lastly, though this too was not framed as a question, I don’t think it is true that terrorist movements can never be eradicated. Yes, there are a few  Republican terrorists around, but the IRA no longer poses a threat to civil society in NI. There are small pockets of Isis diehards, but Isis no longer has the capability of terrorising large swathes of Syria.



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What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?10/05/24 10:23:00 John Hawkes
   Reply10/05/24 11:12:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply10/05/24 13:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply10/05/24 13:55:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply10/05/24 13:57:00 Thomas Jones
   Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?12/05/24 22:46:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?13/05/24 17:36:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 10:29:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 11:05:00 Hugh Thompson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:05:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?21/05/24 17:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:22:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 18:37:00 John Kettlekey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 20:31:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 21:39:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:15:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:07:00 Lucille Grant
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 13:54:00 John Hawkes
                     Reply16/05/24 10:02:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Reply16/05/24 15:26:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:02:00 John Kettlekey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:36:00 Jane Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 19:46:00 Steven Rose
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 15:37:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 16:20:00 Robert Wheeler
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 18:34:00 Jane Carter
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:18:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 09:52:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:11:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 19:39:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 21:42:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 23:37:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 08:38:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:02:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:37:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:44:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 21:59:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 22:21:00 Andy Pike
                           Re:  What are the Red Cross doing?20/05/24 09:24:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?20/05/24 10:37:00 John Hawkes
   Reply19/05/24 12:22:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply19/05/24 12:54:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 10:56:00 John Hawkes
   Reply20/05/24 13:00:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply20/05/24 13:02:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 14:40:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 15:34:00 John Hawkes
               Reply20/05/24 15:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 16:59:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply20/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply21/05/24 11:21:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re21/05/24 18:57:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:05:00 John Kettlekey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:55:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:12:00 John Hawkes
                  Reply22/05/24 12:32:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply22/05/24 14:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Reply22/05/24 17:57:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 11:58:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:57:00 Steven Rose
                  British Jews22/05/24 16:15:00 Lucille Grant
                     Re:British Jews23/05/24 16:06:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 15:45:00 Lucille Grant
         Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:12:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:16:00 Lucille Grant
            Reply22/05/24 17:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Who governs Britain ?24/05/24 13:08:00 John Hawkes
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                     Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 18:50:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 21:35:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 22:20:00 Lucille Grant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 27/05/24 11:03:00 Philippa Bond

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