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Topic: Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 15/05/24 15:37:00

Dismissing as unreasonable a question you either cant’t or won’t answer is rather convenient. In this case the question is entirely reasonable. If you are going to criticise Israel’s conduct of the war, I think you need at least to  indicate what the Israelis should do instead. It is easy to say that it is up to the Israeli military to find a way of eradicating Hamas without harming civilians. What if there is no way of neutralising Hamas  without causing civilian casualties given that Hamas have deliberately embedded themselves in the civilian population?

The answer which John Kettlekey has provided is that Israel should ‘scale back its attacks’. I presume this is not a call for a ceasefire, only for a reduction in the force used by the Israeli military. This would certainly suit Hamas, whose aim now is to hold out for as long as possible in the hope that eventually public pressure in the West, particularly America, will force Israel to give up. This would  leave Hamas in control of Gaza,  ready to regroup and strike again. Why would Israel, why would any country in the same circumstances, allow that to happen?

The war is awful and tragically many civilians have died.  But the Israelis have tried as far as possible to avoid civilian casualties. I don’t think any army in history has ever sent out leaflets and text messages or made phone calls warning civilians of impending attacks. And contrary to the unjustified accusations of ‘genocide’ and ‘carpet bombing’ made on this Forum, the ratio of civilian to military casualties is near to 1 : 1, compared to the normal ratio of 10 : 1 when militants are embedded in the civilian population.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?10/05/24 10:23:00 John Hawkes
   Reply10/05/24 11:12:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply10/05/24 13:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply10/05/24 13:55:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply10/05/24 13:57:00 Thomas Jones
   Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?12/05/24 22:46:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?13/05/24 17:36:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 10:29:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 11:05:00 Hugh Thompson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:05:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?21/05/24 17:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:22:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 18:37:00 John Kettlekey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 20:31:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 21:39:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:15:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:07:00 Lucille Grant
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 13:54:00 John Hawkes
                     Reply16/05/24 10:02:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Reply16/05/24 15:26:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:02:00 John Kettlekey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:36:00 Jane Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 19:46:00 Steven Rose
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 15:37:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 16:20:00 Robert Wheeler
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 18:34:00 Jane Carter
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:18:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 09:52:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:11:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 19:39:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 21:42:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 23:37:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 08:38:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:02:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:37:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:44:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 21:59:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 22:21:00 Andy Pike
                           Re:  What are the Red Cross doing?20/05/24 09:24:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?20/05/24 10:37:00 John Hawkes
   Reply19/05/24 12:22:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply19/05/24 12:54:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 10:56:00 John Hawkes
   Reply20/05/24 13:00:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply20/05/24 13:02:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 14:40:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 15:34:00 John Hawkes
               Reply20/05/24 15:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 16:59:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply20/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply21/05/24 11:21:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re21/05/24 18:57:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:05:00 John Kettlekey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:55:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:12:00 John Hawkes
                  Reply22/05/24 12:32:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply22/05/24 14:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Reply22/05/24 17:57:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 11:58:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:57:00 Steven Rose
                  British Jews22/05/24 16:15:00 Lucille Grant
                     Re:British Jews23/05/24 16:06:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 15:45:00 Lucille Grant
         Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:12:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:16:00 Lucille Grant
            Reply22/05/24 17:43:00 Michael Ixer
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                        Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 21:35:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 22:20:00 Lucille Grant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 27/05/24 11:03:00 Philippa Bond

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