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Topic: Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 15/05/24 21:18:00

You are right. I was concentrating on the question of what Israel should do differently. At least John Kettlekey had a go at answering this question, though I don’t agree with his response.

But to address his questions:

1) Around half of the hostages have been released. Unfortunately Hamas’ price for returning the remaining hostages, namely a complete withdrawal by Israeli forces from Gaza, is unacceptable. For this would leave Hamas in control of Gaza, able to regroup and strike again, as they have promised to do.  As to the eradication of Hamas, the IIDF claim to have dismantled 20 of their original 24 battalions. Having been all but defeated militarily, Hamas’ only hope is that pro- Palestinian sentiment in Western countries will put pressure on their governments to suspend support for Israel.

2) The strike on the aid workers shows that it is not possible to justify every single attack by the  Israeli military. War of its nature is chaotic and mistakes are made. But I don’t believe that the Israelis deliberately target the civilian population. It is also an exaggeration to claim that tens of thousands of civilians have died. Of the 35 000 Palestinians who have been  killed in Gaza according to the Hamas ‘Health Ministry’, it is likely that almost a half were Hamas militants, some of whom may have participated in the atrocity of October 7.



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?10/05/24 10:23:00 John Hawkes
   Reply10/05/24 11:12:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply10/05/24 13:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply10/05/24 13:55:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply10/05/24 13:57:00 Thomas Jones
   Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?12/05/24 22:46:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?13/05/24 17:36:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 10:29:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 11:05:00 Hugh Thompson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:05:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?21/05/24 17:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:22:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 18:37:00 John Kettlekey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 20:31:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 21:39:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:15:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:07:00 Lucille Grant
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 13:54:00 John Hawkes
                     Reply16/05/24 10:02:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Reply16/05/24 15:26:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:02:00 John Kettlekey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:36:00 Jane Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 19:46:00 Steven Rose
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 15:37:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 16:20:00 Robert Wheeler
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 18:34:00 Jane Carter
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:18:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 09:52:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:11:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 19:39:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 21:42:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 23:37:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 08:38:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:02:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:37:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:44:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 21:59:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 22:21:00 Andy Pike
                           Re:  What are the Red Cross doing?20/05/24 09:24:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?20/05/24 10:37:00 John Hawkes
   Reply19/05/24 12:22:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply19/05/24 12:54:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 10:56:00 John Hawkes
   Reply20/05/24 13:00:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply20/05/24 13:02:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 14:40:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 15:34:00 John Hawkes
               Reply20/05/24 15:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 16:59:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply20/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply21/05/24 11:21:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re21/05/24 18:57:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:05:00 John Kettlekey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:55:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:12:00 John Hawkes
                  Reply22/05/24 12:32:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply22/05/24 14:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Reply22/05/24 17:57:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 11:58:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:57:00 Steven Rose
                  British Jews22/05/24 16:15:00 Lucille Grant
                     Re:British Jews23/05/24 16:06:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 15:45:00 Lucille Grant
         Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:12:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:16:00 Lucille Grant
            Reply22/05/24 17:43:00 Michael Ixer
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                        Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 21:35:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 26/05/24 22:20:00 Lucille Grant
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Why this Holocaust Survivor is no longer a Zionist 27/05/24 11:03:00 Philippa Bond

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