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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?
Posted by: John Kettlekey
Date/Time: 15/05/24 09:02:00

> Israel’s aim is to recover the hostages and eradicate the Hamas militants who have threatened to repeat the atrocity of October 7 ‘again and again’.

So, do you think it is working on either front (recovering the hostages or eradicating Hamas)?

One of Hamas's short term aims is to force a change in leadership in Israel. By keeping the hostages it is increasing pressure on Netanyahu who has promised to free them and is not delivering on this. Every day the hostages remain in captivity Netanyahu's popularity is weakening. If they can get Netanyahu replaced (hopefully with someone more moderate) then things may start to ease up. I very much doubt that an acceptable (to both sides) set of terms of a long term cease-fire are never going to happen under Netanyahu.

Netanyahu's long term goal seems to be to put such hardship on the Palestinian people under the guise of "eradicating Hamas" that he hopes the Palestinian people will turn against Hamas. This is a dangerous strategy as he doesn't get to play by the same rules as terrorists (they will use innocent civillians as leverage).

> If you believe that Israel response is ‘disproportionate’, I think you need to explain how Israel should act differently. Other than asking the civilian population to move out of areas which are being targeted, what else is Israel supposed to do?

It should scale back it's attacks. Or do you believe that every single attack they have performed has been completely necessary? Do you believe that the scale of the collateral damage (tens of thousands of innocent civillians) is completely acceptable?

It shouldn't hold back food/water/fuel getting in with the vague justification that it is being stolen by and feeding solely Hamas. Or do you agree that what is being done now is a perfect balance?

It should provide clear and concise information about impending attacks. There are numerous news articles which show the advance information provided by the IDF is confusing or conflicting.

Israel's International support is slipping with each negative newsworthy item.

This is going to be a long, and almost certainly ultimately unwinnable, conflict against Hamas. As history has shown us the fight against a terrorist organisation like this is pretty much impossible to win. Various wings of the IRA are still active. ISIS/Daesh is still active. Boko Harum is still active. etc.


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What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?10/05/24 10:23:00 John Hawkes
   Reply10/05/24 11:12:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply10/05/24 13:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply10/05/24 13:55:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply10/05/24 13:57:00 Thomas Jones
   Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?12/05/24 22:46:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?13/05/24 17:36:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 10:29:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 11:05:00 Hugh Thompson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:05:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Israelis and their supporters actually want ?21/05/24 17:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 16:22:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 18:37:00 John Kettlekey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 20:31:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 21:39:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?14/05/24 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:15:00 Jane Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:07:00 Lucille Grant
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 13:54:00 John Hawkes
                     Reply16/05/24 10:02:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Reply16/05/24 15:26:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:02:00 John Kettlekey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 09:36:00 Jane Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palistinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 19:46:00 Steven Rose
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 15:37:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 16:20:00 Robert Wheeler
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 18:34:00 Jane Carter
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:18:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 09:52:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?16/05/24 10:11:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?15/05/24 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 19:39:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 21:42:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?18/05/24 23:37:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 08:38:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:02:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:37:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 11:44:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 21:59:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?19/05/24 22:21:00 Andy Pike
                           Re:  What are the Red Cross doing?20/05/24 09:24:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What do the Palestinians and their supporters actually want ?20/05/24 10:37:00 John Hawkes
   Reply19/05/24 12:22:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply19/05/24 12:54:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 10:56:00 John Hawkes
   Reply20/05/24 13:00:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply20/05/24 13:02:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 14:40:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 15:34:00 John Hawkes
               Reply20/05/24 15:43:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply20/05/24 16:59:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply20/05/24 15:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply21/05/24 11:21:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re21/05/24 18:57:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:05:00 John Kettlekey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re21/05/24 23:55:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:12:00 John Hawkes
                  Reply22/05/24 12:32:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply22/05/24 14:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Reply22/05/24 17:57:00 Michael Ixer
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                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re22/05/24 12:57:00 Steven Rose
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            Re:Accusation by ICJ prosecutor Khan22/05/24 16:12:00 Steven Rose
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