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Topic: Re:MPs expenses
Posted by: Jonathan Callaway
Date/Time: 16/05/09 11:50:00

Roland, you suggested in an earlier post that you had resorted to the FOI Act to try and find out what the council was paying its top employees.  Have you done the same for councillors' remuneration and expenses?  That might be an interesting exercise. 

It is a pity we don't have a proper local press any more to carry out that sort of digging.  And it is a pity one has to resort to the FOI Act at all to find out what our public servants, elected or appointed, are costing us.

On the original topic, the expenses or 'allowances' rules for MPs were drawn up by themselves and managed by themselves.  Self-policing never works (as we have all seen in the City) but what's worse with the MPs is the failure of even an ineffective system to exercise any sort of restraint over those who have clearly been pushing it to the limit and beyond.  All this nonsense about MPs claiming for recovery of mortgage costs when the mortgage had long since disappeared would never ever have passed muster in any commercial organisation where expenses come off the bottom line and are checked by someone before being signed off.  And audited, of course.  Simple checks and balances, where were they??

The MPs can argue, weakly of course given their institutionalised abuse of the system, that the sovereignty of parliament is constitutionally protected.  That's a fair point - parlimentary privileges were hard won over centuries - but human nature has undermined them.  They have only themselves to blame.


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MPs expenses12/05/09 10:17:00 Adam Tripp
   Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 10:41:00 Martine Guy
      Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 11:31:00 Barry Barker
         Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 11:38:00 Martine Guy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 18:30:00 Barry Barker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 18:36:00 Martine Guy
      Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 11:40:00 Suzanne Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 13:14:00 Bunny Payne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 13:50:00 Nick Parker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 14:04:00 Nick Cochran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 15:15:00 Nick Parker
   Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 17:55:00 Martin Hime
      Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 18:22:00 Adam Tripp
         Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 18:33:00 Martin Hime
   Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 18:42:00 Martin Hime
      Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 18:59:00 Martine Guy
         Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:06:00 Martin Hime
            Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:09:00 Martine Guy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:17:00 Martin Hime
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:21:00 Martine Guy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:34:00 Martin Hime
      Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:18:00 Bunny Payne
         Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:25:00 Martin Hime
            Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 19:42:00 Adam Tripp
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 20:00:00 Martin Hime
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 20:02:00 Martin Hime
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 20:20:00 Martine Guy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 20:22:00 Martin Hime
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 22:04:00 Bunny Payne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 22:25:00 Martine Guy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 22:26:00 Michael Ixer
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses12/05/09 23:19:00 Suzanne Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses13/05/09 12:32:00 Britha Parekh
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses13/05/09 14:20:00 James Dixon
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses13/05/09 16:31:00 Martine Guy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses13/05/09 17:54:00 Martin Hime
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses13/05/09 22:06:00 Bunny Payne
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses13/05/09 23:26:00 Matt Palmer
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                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses14/05/09 09:13:00 Bunny Payne
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                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses14/05/09 15:53:00 James Dixon
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses14/05/09 17:03:00 Caroline Whitehead
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                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses14/05/09 18:38:00 Suzanne Taylor
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses14/05/09 19:16:00 Sarah Mayfield
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:MPs expenses14/05/09 21:02:00 Nick Parker
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