Perhaps it's sovereignty rather than nationalism that's being discussed? I'd consider nationalism more to do with the cultural  identity of a country, and within that there can be sub cultures (as we know in the UK). (Cricket, warm beer. fish & chips, ...!) I'd consider sovereignty more to do with the legal abd governance aspects of a country. Certain aspects of sovereignty may be delegated by treaty to an international body (the WTO, ECHR, EU, bilateral agreements, etc). That doesn’t affect a countries national culture (or nationalism). So one can support Ukraine's national identity (nationakism) against Russian aggression but agree that it may wish to join the EU and NATO, where it cedes sovereignty for the economic and defence benefits. That doesn’t mean overall sovereignty is given up: Greece is no longer implementing the EES for UK tourists, US tariffs break some WTO agreements. Of course, breaking international agreements can have consequence - retaliatory, withholding of loans, other sanctions, ostracisation ... The UK is essentially multi-cultural. We have the four main traditional English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish nations - and a growing Cornish movement. Then across that there are now established immigrant cultures permeating those four man areas - integrated to varying extents. Interestingly, we now have nationalist parties with a majority in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Is this a reaction to the growth of Reform being seen as a rise in "English" nationalism rather than British nationalism? And, potentially, the ZUK's break-up? Well, I might be wrong (as I'm sure Messrs. Rose and Hawkes will say on principle), but something to consider and discuss?

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Topic	Date Posted	Posted By
Reform - really not racist ...	10/05/26 15:58:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reform - really not racist ...	10/05/26 16:44:00	Ivonne Holliday
Reply	10/05/26 17:59:00	Sue Hammond
Re:Reply	10/05/26 18:23:00	Robert Wheeler
Re:Re:Reply	10/05/26 18:37:00	Ivonne Holliday
Re:Re:Re:Reply	10/05/26 19:00:00	Steven Rose
Reply	10/05/26 20:10:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	10/05/26 21:11:00	Sue Hammond
Reply	10/05/26 21:23:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	11/05/26 10:19:00	Ivonne Holliday
Reply	11/05/26 00:38:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	11/05/26 11:59:00	John Hawkes
Reply	11/05/26 13:12:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	11/05/26 16:10:00	John Hawkes
Reply	11/05/26 10:37:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	11/05/26 12:14:00	John Hawkes
Re:Reform - really not racist ...	11/05/26 11:53:00	John Hawkes
Reply	11/05/26 12:44:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	11/05/26 13:40:00	Steven Rose
Re:Reply	11/05/26 16:58:00	John Hawkes
Reply	11/05/26 19:59:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	12/05/26 11:17:00	John Hawkes
Reply	12/05/26 11:39:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	12/05/26 12:23:00	John Hawkes
Reply	11/05/26 17:57:00	Sue Hammond
Re:Reply	11/05/26 18:13:00	Lucille Grant
Reply	11/05/26 20:09:00	Michael Ixer
Reply	11/05/26 20:30:00	Michael Ixer
Reply	11/05/26 18:20:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	11/05/26 19:37:00	Jonathan Callaway
Re:Re:Reply	11/05/26 21:46:00	Steven Rose
Re:Re:Re:Reply	11/05/26 23:09:00	Jonathan Callaway
Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 07:13:00	Robert Wheeler
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 08:05:00	Jonathan Callaway
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 08:57:00	Robert Wheeler
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 09:31:00	Ivonne Holliday
Reply	12/05/26 10:01:00	Martine Guy
Re:Reply	12/05/26 10:53:00	Ivonne Holliday
Reply	12/05/26 11:12:00	Martine Guy
Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 11:34:00	John Hawkes
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 09:34:00	Steven Rose
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 09:48:00	Ivonne Holliday
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 10:44:00	Steven Rose
Reply	12/05/26 11:24:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Reply	12/05/26 12:09:00	John Hawkes
Reply	12/05/26 12:31:00	Michael Ixer
Re:Re:Re:Reply	12/05/26 11:26:00	John Hawkes

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