| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | |
| Posted by: | Steven Rose | |
| Date/Time: | 12/05/26 09:34:00 |
| There may be arguments for the view that Britain was better off within the EU, Jonathan, but the ability to remove illegal migrants is not one of them. While repatriation was theoretically possible under the Dublin Accords, in practice very few migrants were returned to France. France simply refused to take them back. The reason is that once the migrants had left French shores, they were no longer France's problem but became Britain's problem. The same is still true today. The French authorities could do far more to prevent migrants crossing in small boats but they have no motive to stop them and every motive to let them leave. The idea that Ukraine's resistance to the Russian invasion has nothing whatever to do with a wish to preserve their independence and sovereignty as a nation but is simply motivated by a desire to join the EU is putting the cart before the horse. The Ukrainians may wish to join the EU but that is predicated upon the freedom to make their own political and economic decisions, a freedom which is threatened by Russia. I think Robert is right when he implies that your view is essentially metropolitan (whether or not you have actually lived in North London, the epicentre of progressive politics). One of the characteristics of the metropolitan viewpoint is a disdain for nationalism when applied to Britain, where it is described as 'intangible' (i.e. imaginary) and virtually equated to xenophobia, but when it is applied to other nations, notably the Ukrainians and the Palestinians, nationalist sentiment is regarded as natural and positive. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Reform - really not racist ... | 10/05/26 15:58:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reform - really not racist ... | 10/05/26 16:44:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 10/05/26 17:59:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 10/05/26 18:23:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Reply | 10/05/26 18:37:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 10/05/26 19:00:00 | Steven Rose |
| Reply | 10/05/26 20:10:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 10/05/26 21:11:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Reply | 10/05/26 21:23:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 11/05/26 10:19:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 11/05/26 00:38:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 11:59:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 13:12:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 16:10:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 10:37:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 12:14:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Reform - really not racist ... | 11/05/26 11:53:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 12:44:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 13:40:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 16:58:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 19:59:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Reply | 11/05/26 17:57:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 18:13:00 | Lucille Grant |
| Reply | 11/05/26 20:09:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Reply | 11/05/26 20:30:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Reply | 11/05/26 18:20:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 19:37:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Reply | 11/05/26 21:46:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 11/05/26 23:09:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 07:13:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 08:05:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 08:57:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 09:31:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 12/05/26 10:01:00 | Martine Guy |
| Re:Reply | 12/05/26 10:53:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 09:34:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 09:48:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 10:44:00 | Steven Rose |