| Topic: | Re:Re:Reply | |
| Posted by: | Steven Rose | |
| Date/Time: | 11/05/26 21:46:00 |
| I lack the expertise to question the OBR’s estimate of the economic cost of Brexit, or that of other economists, but I think it is fair to point out that all these estimates are not factual but counterfactual, based on supposition of what might have happened if the UK had not left the EU. I agree that it is easier to trade with Europe than with the rest of the world where supply lines are obviously longer, but the assertion that trade with the fast growing economies of in Asia and the Pacific is unlikely to bring the same benefits as trade with the declining economies of Europe requires proof. There is no evidence that Brexit has made it significantly harder to curb illegal immigration. For example, between 1 January 2019 and 1 October 2020, when Britain was still part of the EU, only 237 migrants who had crossed the Channel in small boats were returned to France. As to legal migration, it is true that under Johnson’s premiership large numbers of people from the Asian sub-continent were admitted, but this was because of his relaxed attitude to immigration. It was a deliberate choice. Under freedom of movement the UK had no choice but to admit any EU citizen. Independence , freedom to make our own laws and sovereignty may be intangible, Jonathan, but that does not imply that they are imaginary. Aren’t those the very values which motivate the Ukrainians, a cause which you have notably supported. I think that sensible person would wish to improve trade with the EU. The question is what price the EU will demand in return for access to their markets. It seems that they are demanding freedom of movement, at least for young people, which is a red line even for Keir Starmer, though it may not be for whoever succeeds him. Such a move would precipitate a constitutional crisis given the result of the Referendum. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Reform - really not racist ... | 10/05/26 15:58:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reform - really not racist ... | 10/05/26 16:44:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 10/05/26 17:59:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 10/05/26 18:23:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Reply | 10/05/26 18:37:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 10/05/26 19:00:00 | Steven Rose |
| Reply | 10/05/26 20:10:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 10/05/26 21:11:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Reply | 10/05/26 21:23:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 11/05/26 10:19:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 11/05/26 00:38:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 11:59:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 13:12:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 16:10:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 10:37:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 12:14:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Reform - really not racist ... | 11/05/26 11:53:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 12:44:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 13:40:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 16:58:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 11/05/26 19:59:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Reply | 11/05/26 17:57:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 18:13:00 | Lucille Grant |
| Reply | 11/05/26 20:09:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Reply | 11/05/26 20:30:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Reply | 11/05/26 18:20:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 11/05/26 19:37:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Reply | 11/05/26 21:46:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 11/05/26 23:09:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 07:13:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 08:05:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 08:57:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 09:31:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 12/05/26 10:01:00 | Martine Guy |
| Re:Reply | 12/05/26 10:53:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 09:34:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 09:48:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 12/05/26 10:44:00 | Steven Rose |