| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How long before the 430 is removed from Dover House Road | |
| Posted by: | John Kettlekey | |
| Date/Time: | 03/09/20 00:21:00 |
| What emotive nonsense. Buses are allowed in LTNs. There's even sections in the updated guidance: https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/media/3844/lcc021-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-detail-v9.pdf Again, some useful quotes for you:- " BUS GATES Allow access for buses (and/or delivery and resident vehicles), often via triggered rising bollards or Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras. Rising bollards can incur maintenance costs, and while ANPR can generate revenues, the lack of a physical barrier means they can be ignored by some drivers. Bus gates work very well to ensure buses can pass through an area and don’t need rerouting, while an entire cell can still be filtered to other motor traffic. " So, pretty conclusive that LTNs do not require buses to be rerouted. Signs, cameras and FPNs seems to be the way that Wandsworth likes to do it. If people can't abide by the signs then they have to pay the price for doing so. No-one is forced to drive through a "No Entry" sign, they do so out of laziness or just not caring. Children being able to play in roads is a lofty goal of an LTN but it doesn't automatically apply to every road within the LTN. If the LTN in successful and through traffic is all but cut out and therefore total traffic is reduced then there may be some (hopefully many) streets/roads where it would become possible for children to play in the road they otherwise would not be able to. To assume that children will suddenly be able to play in the middle of Dover House Road is missing the point completely. As for the comments elsewhere about alternative rat-run routes being left in, and that being some kind of flaw, is acknowledged in the link:- " REMOVE ALL THE THROUGH TRAFFIC Leaving in any through routes, unless they are very circuitous, simply focuses traffic on fewer streets. This will reduce the benefits of the scheme and could lose it goodwill over time. It also ensures there is less or no “traffic evaporation”. When through traffic is completely removed, the experience in general is that main roads have far more capacity to cope than the residential side streets – so increases in motor vehicle volumes seen on main roads are low in percentage terms, and after an initial period of bedding in, traffic settles to broadly where it was before. 15% or so of traffic over the area is likely to “evaporate” in such schemes – moving out of the area entirely or switching mode. In other words, congestion doesn’t go up with these schemes, in general. " So, it specifically mentions "circuitous" through routes, which is exactly what the council has done with both the Dover House LTN and the West Putney LTN (with the Genoa/Chartfield/Solna/Westleigh detour). |