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Topic: Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 09/03/26 21:48:00

Thanks for the references, Jonathan. My concern about Philippe Sands' lecture was not so much about his unqualified support for the European Convention on Human Rights (though I think he glosses over some of the difficulties that have arisen from extreme interpretations of the Convention in respect of illegal migrants and foreign criminals) but about his set view of international law as an agreed set of rules against which nations and their leaders can be judged.

No one disputes that the perpetrators of egregious crimes like genocide and child abduction should be punished. But the law surrounding wars of aggression, for example, is far less clear. The UN Charter basically condemns war as an instrument of foreign policy except in two circumstances: a war in self-defence or a war authorised by the Security Council.

The second exception is frankly laughable. It implies that a war is only legal if it is endorsed by a body including Russia and China, two of the worst international
offenders.

The first exception is also fraught with difficulty simply because one man's war of aggression is another's war of self defence. This can be seen in the context of the current situation in Iran. The Attorney General apparently told the Prime Minister that the attack by America and Israel on Iran is illegal, being a war of unprovoked aggression. And a number of people, including Ed Davey, Zack Polanski, and probably Philippe Sands and most of the audience at his lecture, would agree with Lord Hermer's opinion. But I am sure that Benjamin Netanyahu and a majority of Israelis would not see it that way. From their point of view Iran is a country of 90 million which has never recognised Israel's right to exist, which has consistently claimed that the 'Zionist entity' should be wiped off the map, which has sponsored terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis to attack Israel, which has obtained ballistic missiles and which is trying to develop a nuclear capability. As far as they are concerned the attack on Iran is a preemptive strike. Their answer to the bien pensant critics at Philippe Sands' lecture would be, 'Are we supposed to wait until Iran actually gets a nuclear bomb?'


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Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 20:45:00 Jonathan Callaway
   Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 21:29:00 Jonathan Callaway
         Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 23:09:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture06/03/26 08:16:00 Michael Brigo
               Reply06/03/26 09:09:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Reply06/03/26 09:52:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Reply06/03/26 11:02:00 Jonathan Callaway
                     Re:Re:Reply07/03/26 13:53:00 David Ainsworth
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply07/03/26 23:07:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply07/03/26 23:59:00 David Ainsworth
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply08/03/26 01:09:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply08/03/26 10:49:00 Jonathan Callaway
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 13:45:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 14:26:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 15:07:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 15:25:00 David Ainsworth
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 17:05:00 Jonathan Callaway
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 21:45:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 23:08:00 David Ainsworth
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl09/03/26 00:38:00 Steven Rose
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl09/03/26 09:08:00 David Ainsworth
   Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 09:16:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 13:23:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 13:35:00 Gerry Boyce
            Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 14:14:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 14:40:00 Gerry Boyce
                  Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 17:43:00 Jonathan Callaway
                     Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 21:48:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 22:07:00 Robert Wheeler
                        Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 13:27:00 Jonathan Callaway
                           "Imminent" for 30 years10/03/26 13:47:00 David Ainsworth
                  Re:Re:Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 17:35:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 18:35:00 Gerry Boyce
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 16:59:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 17:35:00 Steven Rose
                  Reply10/03/26 18:44:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply10/03/26 21:50:00 Steven Rose
                        Reply10/03/26 22:34:00 Michael Ixer
                           Re:Reply10/03/26 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                              Re:Re:Reply10/03/26 23:13:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Re:Reply10/03/26 23:25:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 11:47:00 John Hawkes
                                 Reply11/03/26 22:12:00 Michael Ixer
                                    Re:Reply12/03/26 18:24:00 John Hawkes
                                       Reply12/03/26 19:41:00 Michael Ixer
                        Re:Re:Reply10/03/26 23:38:00 David Ainsworth
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 00:29:00 Steven Rose
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 00:59:00 David Ainsworth
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 09:28:00 Steven Rose
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 09:46:00 David Ainsworth
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 09:58:00 Steven Rose
                                          Israel operates with almost complete lack of international oversight11/03/26 10:09:00 David Ainsworth
                                             Reply11/03/26 10:43:00 Robert Wheeler
                                             Re:Israel operates with almost complete lack of international oversight11/03/26 13:25:00 John Hawkes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 12:40:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 12:28:00 John Hawkes

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