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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 07/03/26 23:07:00

I watched Philippe Sands’ lecture upon your recommendation, Jonathan, but I was not particularly impressed. Here are some observations:

1) The whole event was clearly political with overt criticism of Trump, Netanyahu and the Conservatives.

2) In his account of the Chagos agreement, Sands somewhat disingenuously omitted to mention that the Chagossians themselves are opposed to the deal.

3) Sands, like many of his colleagues (e.g. Lord Hermes, Keir Starmer) appears to believe, not so much in the rule of law as the rule of lawyers and judges, whose opinions he elevates into divine edicts. For example, in his discussion of the European Convention on Human Rights, which he said had been drafted by British lawyers, he failed to explain that the judges of the European Court have recently interpreted the Convention in ways never envisaged by the original signatories and sometimes at variance with the will of democratically elected governments.

4) He appears to regard international law as an agreed set of rules. Unfortunately this is by no means the case. Yes, everyone agrees that certain crimes such as genocide, the deliberate targeting of civilians, the use of rape as a weapon of war and so on, are evil and must be punished. But even for these crimes justice is often victors’ justice. He referred to the Nuremberg trials where the Nazi leaders were rightly condemned for their terrible crimes. But what about the fact that around half a million German civilians were killed in Allied air raids and up to a million German women were raped by Soviet troops, crimes which the judges of Nuremberg never considered. However in respect of other crimes under international law, such as waging a war of aggression, there is little agreement at all. Sands appears to believe that Trump and Netanyahu should be tried at the ICC for the attack on Iran. Many people would disagree with that, not least thousands of Iranians in Teheran.


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Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 20:45:00 Jonathan Callaway
   Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 21:25:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 21:29:00 Jonathan Callaway
         Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture05/03/26 23:09:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture06/03/26 08:16:00 Michael Brigo
               Reply06/03/26 09:09:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Reply06/03/26 09:52:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Reply06/03/26 11:02:00 Jonathan Callaway
                     Re:Re:Reply07/03/26 13:53:00 David Ainsworth
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply07/03/26 23:07:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply07/03/26 23:59:00 David Ainsworth
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply08/03/26 01:09:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply08/03/26 10:49:00 Jonathan Callaway
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 13:45:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 14:26:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 15:07:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 15:25:00 David Ainsworth
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 17:05:00 Jonathan Callaway
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 21:45:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl08/03/26 23:08:00 David Ainsworth
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl09/03/26 00:38:00 Steven Rose
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Repl09/03/26 09:08:00 David Ainsworth
   Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 09:16:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 13:23:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 13:35:00 Gerry Boyce
            Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 14:14:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 14:40:00 Gerry Boyce
                  Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 17:43:00 Jonathan Callaway
                     Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 21:48:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture09/03/26 22:07:00 Robert Wheeler
                        Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 13:27:00 Jonathan Callaway
                           "Imminent" for 30 years10/03/26 13:47:00 David Ainsworth
                  Re:Re:Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 17:35:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Was Gerry Adams in the IRA ?Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 18:35:00 Gerry Boyce
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 16:59:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Philippe Sands on International Law -  a very relevant lecture10/03/26 17:35:00 Steven Rose
                  Reply10/03/26 18:44:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Reply10/03/26 21:50:00 Steven Rose
                        Reply10/03/26 22:34:00 Michael Ixer
                           Re:Reply10/03/26 22:53:00 Steven Rose
                              Re:Re:Reply10/03/26 23:13:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Re:Reply10/03/26 23:25:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 11:47:00 John Hawkes
                                 Reply11/03/26 22:12:00 Michael Ixer
                                    Re:Reply12/03/26 18:24:00 John Hawkes
                                       Reply12/03/26 19:41:00 Michael Ixer
                        Re:Re:Reply10/03/26 23:38:00 David Ainsworth
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 00:29:00 Steven Rose
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 00:59:00 David Ainsworth
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 09:28:00 Steven Rose
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 09:46:00 David Ainsworth
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 09:58:00 Steven Rose
                                          Israel operates with almost complete lack of international oversight11/03/26 10:09:00 David Ainsworth
                                             Reply11/03/26 10:43:00 Robert Wheeler
                                             Re:Israel operates with almost complete lack of international oversight11/03/26 13:25:00 John Hawkes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 12:40:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Re:Reply11/03/26 12:28:00 John Hawkes

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