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Topic: Continuity or massive change?
Posted by: David Ainsworth
Date/Time: 21/08/25 23:53:00

"What is it that characterises Palestinians  as opposed to Jews? Answer: 1) they speak Arabic rather than Hebrew and 2) they are Muslim (or Christian) rather than Jewish. The Arabic language and Islam were introduced to Palestine in the 7th century CE. So to claim that Palestinians have an unbroken tradition in the Holy Land going back several thousand years is simply nonsense."

Well, on Answer 2, not as big a break as suggested?

"Judaism is more similar to Islam than to Christianity, particularly in terms of religious practice and theology, due to shared monotheistic traditions, origins in Middle Eastern culture, and a focus on divine law. While Christianity also has roots in Judaism, its core beliefs about Jesus and its development as a religion diverged significantly, making its relationship to Judaism more complex than its shared ancestry might suggest.

Reasons Judaism is closer to Islam:

Shared Religious Concepts:
Both Islam and Judaism are strictly monotheistic religions with roots in Semitic, Middle Eastern cultures.

Emphasis on Law and Practice:
Both religions emphasize a religion of law and have very similar practices in their daily worship, such as frequent prayer and fasting, while Christianity has largely diverged from these practices.

Concept of God and Salvation:
Judaism and Islam are much closer to each other in their views on God and salvation than either is to Christianity.

Why Christianity is less similar:

Divergence from Judaism:
Christianity began as a movement within Judaism but evolved to a distinct religion over time.

Core Beliefs:
A key difference is the rejection of Jesus as the messiah by Judaism, a foundational tenet of Christianity.

Theological and Metaphysical Differences:
Christianity developed distinct supernatural beliefs, such as a set concept of heaven and hell, and end-times prophecies, that are not shared with Judaism.

The "Judeo-Christian" term:
Despite common usage, some scholars argue that the phrase "Judeo-Islamic" is a more appropriate term to describe the relationship than "Judeo-Christian" given the greater theological and practical similarities between Judaism and Islam." (Google)

And naturally all religions change over long periods.
"Judaism has changed significantly over its long history, evolving from ancient, Temple-centered worship to diverse forms of practice and belief that reflect different eras and interpretations, such as Rabbinic Judaism and modern movements like Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox Judaism. These changes have included adaptations of laws, shifts in theology and prayer, and varying expressions of Jewish identity in response to historical events like the Babylonian Exile and the destruction of the Temple."

Continuity or massive change?

As the essay said:-
"The ethnic cleansing, massacres and colonialism needed to establish Israel can never be justified, regardless of who was there first. It’s a moot point. Even if we follow the argument that Palestinians have only been there for 1300 years, does this suddenly legitimize the expulsion of hundreds of thousands? Of course not. There is no possible scenario where it is excusable to ethnically cleanse a people and colonize their lands."

"only been there for 1300 years"!


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Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?24/05/25 13:52:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?24/05/25 15:38:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?24/05/25 16:10:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 14:35:00 Miles Thompson
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?25/05/25 11:24:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?25/05/25 15:32:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?25/05/25 15:33:00 Michael Brigo
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?26/05/25 10:07:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/07/25 10:34:00 Hugh Thompson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/07/25 15:06:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?25/05/25 11:57:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?25/05/25 18:41:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?26/05/25 10:21:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?28/08/25 03:18:00 Patrick D Barrs
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?28/08/25 08:50:00 David Ainsworth
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?29/08/25 13:57:00 John Hawkes
            Reply29/08/25 14:15:00 Michael Ixer
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?29/08/25 14:22:00 David Ainsworth
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?05/07/25 12:56:00 John Hawkes
   Sudan:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?11/07/25 12:58:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Sudan:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?30/08/25 00:46:00 Patrick D Barrs
   Reply11/07/25 14:21:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply11/07/25 15:12:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 12:18:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply11/07/25 18:36:00 John Hawkes
         Reply11/07/25 21:13:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply12/07/25 09:37:00 John Hawkes
               Reply12/07/25 11:03:00 Michael Ixer
                  Re:Reply12/07/25 12:37:00 John Hawkes
                     Reply12/07/25 13:46:00 Michael Ixer
                        Reply12/07/25 23:22:00 Michael Ixer
         Re:Re:Reply11/07/25 21:19:00 Ed Robinson
   Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?13/07/25 11:58:00 John Hawkes
   Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?15/07/25 21:49:00 John Hawkes
   Why is it only Israel and not Syria that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?17/07/25 14:38:00 John Hawkes
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      Re:Why is it only Israel and not Syria that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?18/07/25 16:39:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 09:57:00 Alexander MacLeod
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 10:16:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 12:02:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 12:50:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 10:33:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 14:17:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 15:42:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 18:38:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?23/07/25 20:30:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?25/07/25 14:31:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?29/07/25 08:20:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?29/07/25 13:05:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?30/07/25 13:14:00 John Hawkes
   Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'? Ask the BBC !29/07/25 16:41:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?10/08/25 14:01:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?12/08/25 15:20:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?12/08/25 20:59:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?14/08/25 08:53:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?14/08/25 09:50:00 David Ainsworth
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?14/08/25 13:24:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?15/08/25 13:40:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?16/08/25 15:40:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?18/08/25 16:52:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?19/08/25 16:31:00 John Hawkes
   Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?18/08/25 15:06:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?18/08/25 20:10:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?19/08/25 19:44:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?19/08/25 20:18:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/08/25 16:03:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/08/25 16:18:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 14:16:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/08/25 15:56:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/08/25 18:21:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 16:06:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?20/08/25 18:24:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 00:26:00 David Ainsworth
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 08:04:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 09:10:00 Robert Wheeler
                           Brilliant21/08/25 09:51:00 David Ainsworth
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 16:30:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 09:38:00 David Ainsworth
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 16:23:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 16:21:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 17:00:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 18:01:00 David Ainsworth
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 18:15:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?21/08/25 20:19:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?22/08/25 15:44:00 John Hawkes
                                 Five thousand years ago the Canaanites21/08/25 20:23:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Five thousand years ago the Canaanites21/08/25 20:49:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Five thousand years ago the Canaanites21/08/25 22:25:00 David Ainsworth
                                       Unbroken?21/08/25 22:57:00 David Ainsworth
                                       Continuity or massive change?21/08/25 23:53:00 David Ainsworth
                                          Re:Continuity or massive change?22/08/25 10:22:00 John Hawkes
                                       Re:Re:Five thousand years ago the Canaanites23/08/25 12:21:00 Philippa Bond
                                          Re:Re:Re:Five thousand years ago the Canaanites23/08/25 12:33:00 John Hawkes
                                    Reply21/08/25 20:56:00 Michael Ixer
                                       Re:Reply23/08/25 00:30:00 Steven Rose
                                          Re:Re:Reply23/08/25 08:57:00 David Ainsworth
                                             Re:Re:Re:Reply23/08/25 12:00:00 John Hawkes
                                          Re:Re:Reply23/08/25 13:05:00 John Hawkes
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                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply24/08/25 13:19:00 John Hawkes
                                          Re:Re:Reply25/08/25 15:11:00 David Ainsworth
                                             Re:Re:Re:Reply26/08/25 10:54:00 John Hawkes
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         Re:Re:Re:Why is it only Israel that daily makes the news re 'genocide'?27/08/25 23:41:00 Alexander MacLeod
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