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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: John Hawkes
Date/Time: 09/04/26 17:52:00

Steven

You rightly reply to Mr Carter - 'Richard, the ICJ's decision to hear the case brought by South Africa against Israel emphatically does not mean that the accusation  of genocide has been accepted, any more than the fact that a man is on trial implies that he is guilty'.

Am I not correct in recalling that the prosecuting counsel for the ICJ namely Karim Asad Ahmad Khan has had to withdraw as he himself has been accused of sexual harassment, for the second time in his career, of a junior member of his staff ?

And which state brought this case forward ?

South Africa, that model of modern African democracy ruled by President Cyril Ramaphosa.

He himself does not seem whiter than white (sic) when it comes to money matters.

"Ramaphosa won't face criminal charges over a hidden cash scandal that was revealed more than two years ago and led to an investigation by a special police unit, prosecutors said Thursday.

A former national security chief laid a criminal complaint against Ramaphosa in June 2022, accusing him of kidnapping, bribery and other crimes in relation to the theft of $580,000 in U.S. banknotes that was stashed in a couch at the president's ranch.

The former security boss, Arthur Fraser, alleged that Ramaphosa had been keeping the cash hidden in furniture at his ranch to evade South Africa's foreign currency laws when it was stolen.

Instead of reporting the theft, Ramaphosa tried to cover it up by having members of his presidential protection unit track down the thieves, kidnap them and then bribe them to keep quiet about the existence of the money, Fraser said in the affidavit filed with police.

The theft happened at Ramaphosa's game farm in rural northern South Africa in early 2020 and had been kept quiet until Fraser's allegations. It forced Ramaphosa to admit the theft took place and threw his presidency into turmoil ahead of a crucial party leadership vote.

He survived the scandal and was reelected as South African leader this June, while the criminal investigation had been ongoing. Ramaphosa, 71, was also accused of money laundering, tax evasion and breaching foreign currency laws over the cash.

He denied wrongdoing and said the cash came from the legitimate sale of buffaloes at his Phala Phala game farm.

(This makes wonderful biltong as the many expatriate South Africans in the Wimbledon are will testify).

Ramaphosa said he reported the theft to the head of his police protection unit, though he didn’t explain why the money was hidden in the couch.

Prosecutors said in a statement that the decision not to bring any charges against Ramaphosa or anyone on his security detail came after “a comprehensive investigation process.”

The scandal, at times referred to as “farmgate” in South Africa, led to opposition parties bringing an impeachment motion against Ramaphosa in Parliament. His African National Congress party used its majority to block the motion in late 2022, while the reserve bank and an independent watchdog also cleared Ramaphosa.'

So that's alright then 😉😁

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      Re:Reply06/04/26 11:38:00 Jonathan Callaway
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            Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 12:40:00 Gerry Boyce
               Reply06/04/26 13:11:00 Michael Ixer
      Reply07/04/26 17:17:00 Michael Ixer
   Reply06/04/26 13:23:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply06/04/26 13:57:00 Gerry Boyce
   Re:Is Trump completely unhinged?06/04/26 13:52:00 Ivonne Holliday
      Reply06/04/26 14:16:00 Michael Ixer
         Re:Reply06/04/26 16:28:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 16:58:00 Steven Rose
               Reply06/04/26 17:50:00 Michael Ixer
                  Re:Reply06/04/26 18:01:00 Steven Rose
                     Is Trump Completely Unhinged?06/04/26 18:13:00 Sue Hammond
                        Reply06/04/26 18:24:00 Michael Ixer
                           Re:Reply06/04/26 18:37:00 Sue Hammond
                              Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 20:17:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                 Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 21:19:00 Sue Hammond
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 22:29:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                    Reply06/04/26 22:50:00 Michael Ixer
                        Re:Is Trump Completely Unhinged?06/04/26 18:43:00 Gerry Boyce
                     Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 19:45:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 18:34:00 Gerry Boyce
   Reply06/04/26 19:13:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply06/04/26 19:25:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 19:54:00 Steven Rose
            Reply06/04/26 20:01:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 20:30:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 20:50:00 Robert Wheeler
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 21:28:00 Michael Brigo
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 22:06:00 Gerry Boyce
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 22:49:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 23:32:00 Gerry Boyce
                        Reply06/04/26 23:44:00 Michael Ixer
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply06/04/26 23:58:00 Michael Brigo
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 00:03:00 Michael Brigo
   Reply07/04/26 09:36:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply07/04/26 10:11:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 13:24:00 John Hawkes
         Reply07/04/26 13:53:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Reply07/04/26 16:29:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply07/04/26 10:44:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 14:13:00 Gerry Boyce
            Reply07/04/26 17:14:00 Michael Ixer
   Reply07/04/26 15:23:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply07/04/26 16:24:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 17:11:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply08/04/26 11:30:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 17:17:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 18:25:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply07/04/26 18:43:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Reply08/04/26 11:46:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Reply08/04/26 12:02:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Is Trump completely unhinged?07/04/26 19:15:00 Steven Rose
   Reply08/04/26 13:16:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply08/04/26 13:32:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply08/04/26 15:59:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply08/04/26 18:03:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Reply09/04/26 17:52:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply09/04/26 21:20:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 11:54:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 13:01:00 Gerry Boyce
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 16:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 16:28:00 Gerry Boyce
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/04/26 14:22:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Reply08/04/26 18:02:00 Ivonne Holliday
   Reply09/04/26 19:15:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply09/04/26 20:16:00 Gerry Boyce
         Re:Re:Reply09/04/26 22:25:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Reply09/04/26 23:41:00 Michael Brigo
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 00:43:00 Steven Rose
                  Reply10/04/26 12:02:00 Richard Carter
         Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 12:03:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 12:20:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 16:46:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 17:16:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Reply10/04/26 12:01:00 John Hawkes
         Reply10/04/26 13:27:00 Michael Ixer
   Reply10/04/26 11:45:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply10/04/26 12:13:00 Gerry Boyce
         Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 12:33:00 Steven Rose
            Reply10/04/26 13:08:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Reply10/04/26 18:18:00 Steven Rose
                  Reply10/04/26 21:19:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 21:21:00 Gerry Boyce
                     Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 22:14:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply10/04/26 22:20:00 Gerry Boyce
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/04/26 11:26:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/04/26 18:32:00 Steven Rose
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/04/26 21:37:00 Gerry Boyce
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/04/26 21:56:00 Steven Rose
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply11/04/26 22:23:00 Gerry Boyce
                                    Reply11/04/26 22:26:00 Sue Hammond

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