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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 27/07/25 11:31:00

Ivonne I am afraid I don’t understand your exasperation or why you felt the need to look up the meaning of the word ‘genocide’. Everyone knows that it means the deliberate extermination of a race or nation. Unfortunately the critics of Israel on the Forum and elsewhere have improperly extended its meaning to include ethnic cleansing or even just colonising a territory, as can be seen in the extract from the UN Special Rapporteur quoted by Gerry Boyce. This is an abuse of language deliberately designed to libel Israel, in effect accusing the Israelis of committing the same crime as the Jewish people suffered during the Second World War when six million were murdered in gas chambers. Gratuitous comparisons between the Israelis and the Nazis are considered anti-Semitic under the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance protocol, recognised by the UK and the EU.

I don’t approve of the Israeli settlements on the West Bank. This kind of colonialism, which was widely practised by Britain and other European countries in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, is no longer acceptable. And ethic cleansing, whereby the indigenous population is expelled, is even worse. But there is no evidence that Israel plans to expel the Palestinians from the lands they now inhabit. And even if such a crime could be proved, it would still not amount to genocide, which is the worst crime known to mankind.

There has undoubtedly been a tragic loss of life in Gaza, mainly because Hamas have chosen to shield behind the civilian population. I believe that the IDF have genuinely tried to reduce the number of civilians killed by giving warnings of impending attacks and moving people out of harm’s way, which is more than Coalition forces did in Iraq and Syria.  Clearly people have the right to criticise the way Israel has conducted its campaign. Many Israelis are critical of Netanyahu’s conduct of the war. But critics of Israel should refrain from hysterical accusations of genocide, for which there is no evidence.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.20/07/25 23:19:00 Gerry Boyce
   Reply21/07/25 07:28:00 Sue Hammond
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.21/07/25 15:29:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.21/07/25 19:41:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.21/07/25 21:16:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 10:21:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.21/07/25 23:33:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 10:31:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 10:38:00 Lucille Grant
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 10:39:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 12:20:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 12:36:00 Alexander MacLeod
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 13:48:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 13:01:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.22/07/25 13:14:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.23/07/25 10:44:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.23/07/25 10:47:00 Gerry Boyce
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.23/07/25 12:58:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.23/07/25 13:38:00 Robert Wheeler
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.23/07/25 14:03:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.23/07/25 22:56:00 Gerry Boyce
      Reply23/07/25 23:07:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Reply24/07/25 08:28:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Reply24/07/25 12:10:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Re:Re:Reply24/07/25 12:20:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Reply24/07/25 13:16:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Reply24/07/25 16:48:00 Ivonne Holliday
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 11:56:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 13:22:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 13:33:00 Steven Rose
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 16:06:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 17:31:00 Steven Rose
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 18:33:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 19:50:00 Steven Rose
         Reply24/07/25 20:31:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Reply24/07/25 21:15:00 Steven Rose
               Reply24/07/25 22:24:00 Michael Brigo
                  Re:Reply25/07/25 14:27:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 22:06:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.24/07/25 23:46:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:10:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 13:55:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 12:30:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 13:43:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:02:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:17:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:32:00 Robert Wheeler
               Reply25/07/25 14:47:00 Michael Brigo
                  Re:Reply25/07/25 15:03:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Reply25/07/25 16:46:00 Michael Brigo
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 15:30:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 16:48:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:11:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:41:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 15:25:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 14:59:00 Gerry Boyce
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 15:17:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 15:47:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 16:30:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 16:52:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 14:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply08/08/26 17:35:00 Ramsay Bolton
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 15:41:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 15:51:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 16:04:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 16:24:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 16:38:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 21:11:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 21:31:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 22:17:00 Michael Brigo
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 23:25:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.25/07/25 23:33:00 Ed Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 00:54:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 10:57:00 Ed Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 14:48:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 21:15:00 Ed Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 14:44:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 07:27:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 15:22:00 John Hawkes
   Reply26/07/25 10:04:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply26/07/25 15:26:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply26/07/25 15:39:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 13:21:00 Gerry Boyce
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 13:35:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 13:54:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 14:27:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 15:44:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 18:53:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 15:28:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 19:04:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 20:24:00 Steven Rose
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 20:52:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 23:09:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.26/07/25 23:48:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 00:38:00 Gerry Boyce
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 01:07:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 10:05:00 Ivonne Holliday
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 11:31:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 12:04:00 Richard Carter
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 14:37:00 Ivonne Holliday
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 12:25:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 12:11:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 13:18:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:16:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 13:43:00 Gerry Boyce
   Reply27/07/25 13:45:00 Michael Brigo
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 14:02:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 14:37:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 14:42:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:26:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:24:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:19:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 14:36:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:24:00 Gerry Boyce
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:38:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 16:18:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:32:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 15:59:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 16:24:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 23:05:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 12:03:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 11:56:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 13:17:00 Gerry Boyce
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 16:04:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 16:33:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 21:42:00 Michael Brigo
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 22:15:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 23:41:00 Gerry Boyce
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 12:14:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.27/07/25 23:18:00 Richard Carter
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 00:02:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 11:09:00 Alexander MacLeod
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 12:24:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 12:12:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 15:28:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 16:21:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 16:47:00 Gerry Boyce
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 17:29:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 17:53:00 Gerry Boyce
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.29/07/25 12:33:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 17:45:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 19:24:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.28/07/25 21:45:00 Gerry Boyce
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.29/07/25 12:51:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pope calls for an immediate end to the barbarity in Palestine.08/08/26 19:19:00 Philippa Bond

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