Forum Message

Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 25/03/24 14:09:00

Hi Ivonne

I do understand that there are civilians in Gaza. I mentioned them explicitly in my post. I also understand that it is possible to despise Hamas and criticise the actions of Israel at the same time. In fact I pointed out that critics of Israel are offended at the suggestion that they are apologists for Hamas.

But I am afraid you have not answered my second question. How is Israel supposed to remove the threat of repeated attacks from Hamas? Israel may have an enormous army, but when Hamas militants fire from schools, hospitals and residential buildings, using the people of Gaza as human shields, it is impossible to eliminate them without causing civilian casualties.

The analogy with the IRA is misleading. The IRA were a terrorist organisation operating within the UK and  consisting of fewer than 1000 activists at any one time. Though they killed some civilians in dreadful pub bombings and other terrorist outrages, they mainly targeted police and army personnel. Their aim was to achieve a united Ireland, not to wipe out the Protestant community of Ulster, nor to exterminate the population of the British mainland. Hamas, in contrast, have taken control  of a foreign territory where they enjoy considerable popular support. They possess an army of over 20 000 militants and their stated aim is to exterminate the Jewish population of Israel, as demonstrated by the atrocity of October 7. A better analogy of the conflict between Israel and Hamas would be the war between Britain and Nazi Germany. The RAF caused  more civilians casualties in a single night of bombing over Hamburg than the total death toll in Gaza, but Britain continued hostilities until the Nazis finally surrendered.


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London16/03/24 15:22:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London16/03/24 16:50:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London16/03/24 22:29:00 Ed Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London17/03/24 12:17:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London18/03/24 15:30:00 Lucille Grant
      Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London17/03/24 12:14:00 John Hawkes
   Reply17/03/24 12:27:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply17/03/24 12:41:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Reply17/03/24 16:41:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply17/03/24 16:31:00 John Hawkes
         Reply17/03/24 19:01:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply17/03/24 19:39:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Reply18/03/24 15:33:00 Lucille Grant
            Re:Reply18/03/24 15:47:00 John Hawkes
               Reply19/03/24 11:41:00 Michael Ixer
                  Re:Reply19/03/24 11:57:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Reply24/03/24 20:33:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply24/03/24 20:51:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 10:52:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Reply24/03/24 20:50:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 00:14:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 10:50:00 Ivonne Holliday
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 14:09:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 14:48:00 Steven Rose
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 15:13:00 John Hawkes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 15:36:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 16:39:00 Robert Wheeler
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 16:39:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 18:36:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 11:57:00 John Hawkes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 14:21:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/03/24 11:00:00 John Hawkes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 17:09:00 John Hawkes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 17:57:00 Lucille Grant
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 19:23:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 12:08:00 John Hawkes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 19:22:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply25/03/24 21:41:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 13:04:00 John Hawkes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 14:30:00 Philippa Bond
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 14:31:00 Philippa Bond
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply26/03/24 20:53:00 Steven Rose
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/03/24 16:26:00 John Hawkes
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/03/24 18:50:00 Jane Carter
                                                            Reply27/03/24 20:29:00 Michael Ixer
                                                               Re:Reply27/03/24 21:22:00 John Hawkes
                                                                  Reply27/03/24 21:40:00 Michael Ixer
                                                                     Re:Reply27/03/24 21:48:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                     Re:Reply27/03/24 21:49:00 Robert Wheeler
                                                                        Reply27/03/24 23:28:00 Michael Ixer
   Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London26/03/24 21:40:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London27/03/24 19:00:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London27/03/24 22:51:00 Steven Rose
            Reply27/03/24 23:41:00 Michael Ixer
         Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 09:20:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 12:51:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 13:13:00 Ivonne Holliday
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 14:08:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 17:38:00 Ivonne Holliday
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 16:09:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 16:40:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 16:58:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 19:50:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London28/03/24 21:28:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cost of policing pro-Palestine marches in London31/03/24 18:03:00 Philippa Bond

Forum Home