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Topic: Re:Betrayal
Posted by: Jonathan Callaway
Date/Time: 25/10/26 16:21:00

Steven, I think you’ve been reading the Daily Express again. They’ve been banging on about Brexit Betrayal since the day after the referendum.

Burnham has said only that he wants an honest debate about possible next steps in our relationship with the EU. He’s not made any commitment to anything beyond the red lines in Labour’s last manifesto. It makes perfect sense to have a debate about all the pros and cons of moving closer to the EU. Whether it’s rejoining, just joining the customs union, or joining the single market, or both, or merely revamping the exit agreement. Or indeed whether to have another referendum (and I sincerely hope we don’t!!).

If you had read the iPaper this weekend you would have seen a detailed report about a 50/50 split in Burnham’s cabinet between those wanting a faster return to the EU and those who are far more cautious. He’s not going to do anything in a hurry, whatever his personal preferences may be.

So there’s been no betrayal and, if anything radically different is proposed by the government it’s going to be in their next manifesto.

Meanwhile, we can all rehearse the arguments and try and stick to facts, or at least arguments based on them rather than just emotion.

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Betrayal25/10/26 10:11:00 Steven Rose
   Re:Betrayal25/10/26 10:57:00 Robert Wheeler
      Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 12:51:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 13:17:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 13:34:00 Ivonne Holliday
      Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 14:48:00 Richard Carter
         Re:Re:Re:Betrayal26/10/26 12:59:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Betrayal25/10/26 14:54:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 15:25:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 15:59:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 16:28:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Betrayal26/10/26 13:17:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Betrayal25/10/26 16:21:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:Betrayal25/10/26 16:59:00 Steven Rose
         ry getting a grip...26/10/26 11:12:00 Richard Carter
   Reply25/10/26 18:10:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply25/10/26 20:18:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Reply25/10/26 20:52:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Reply26/10/26 13:34:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply25/10/26 20:53:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Reply25/10/26 21:42:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Reply25/10/26 20:57:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Reply26/10/26 13:37:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply25/10/26 21:01:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Re:Re:Reply26/10/26 13:41:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply25/10/26 20:50:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Reply25/10/26 21:41:00 Steven Rose
            Reply25/10/26 21:55:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Reply26/10/26 08:21:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Betrayal 26/10/26 08:21:00 Sue Hammond
                  Reply26/10/26 11:51:00 Michael Ixer
                     Reply26/10/26 12:16:00 Sue Hammond
                        Reply26/10/26 13:30:00 Michael Ixer
                        Re:Reply26/10/26 13:58:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Reply26/10/26 08:21:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Reply26/10/26 13:54:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply26/10/26 13:21:00 John Hawkes
   Reply26/10/26 11:59:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply26/10/26 18:38:00 Steven Rose
         Nonsense on stilts26/10/26 19:14:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Nonsense on stilts26/10/26 19:25:00 Philippa Bond
               Reply26/10/26 21:29:00 Sue Hammond
                  Re:Reply26/10/26 22:10:00 Philippa Bond
                  Reply26/10/26 23:31:00 Michael Ixer
               Re:Re:Nonsense on stilts26/10/26 21:30:00 Steven Rose

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