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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement
Posted by: Richard Carter
Date/Time: 28/07/10 14:38:00

If someone else can join in, there are several points in Richard H's latest post to take issue with.

1) The "sole solution is to slow down the cars." In residential areas, which is what I think this thread is mainly concerned with, the main solution *is* to slow down cars, because of the simple fact, which even you seem to accept, that faster driving causes more serious injuries and deaths.

2) The comparison with slowing down trains to stop level-crossing jumpers getting hurt is, frankly, stupid. How many people are hit by trains? The number is tiny, and anyway rail tracks are quite separate from roads: most houses have roads going past their doors/gates but not many, in this country at least, have train tracks.

3) You refer to a car "correctly" doing 20mph in a 20mph zone. Quite wrong: 20 mph is the MAXIMUM speed. Para 125 of the Highway Code sets out clearly that "the speed limit is the absolute maximum and does not mean it is safe to drive at that speed irrespective of conditions. Driving at speeds too fast for the road and traffic conditions is dangerous. You should always reduce your speed when .... sharing the road with pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders, particularly children."

4) In your example of the child running out, one of the alternative actions you deride is "to shout 'Stop Speeding' at the driver who's [sic] actions saved their kid." As I said in 3 above, 20 mph in a 20mph zone is speeding when there are pedestrians, especially children, about.

5) Of course pedestrians should "responsibly and ... increase [their] chances of survival 10-20 fold," but it's incumbent on drivers of heavy large steel boxes to take extra care, especially when they are driving in residential areas.

Running through your posts is a horribly cold attitude; your reference to saving your "sympathy for those who deserve it" typifies this.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Cycling on ythe pavement19/07/10 10:45:00 Paul Smith
   Re:Cycling on the pavement19/07/10 12:00:00 Jane Holland
      Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement19/07/10 17:20:00 Bryony Evens
         Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement19/07/10 18:10:00 Caroline Whitehead
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement19/07/10 19:28:00 Bunny Payne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement19/07/10 20:18:00 Jonathan Callaway
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement20/07/10 17:35:00 Bryony Evens
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement21/07/10 14:47:00 M Blissett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement22/07/10 12:48:00 Alex Greenbank
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement22/07/10 21:49:00 Bill Davids
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 10:57:00 Bryony Evens
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 12:00:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 12:07:00 Ivonne Holliday
   Re:Cycling on ythe pavement20/07/10 17:40:00 Bryony Evens
      Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement20/07/10 20:56:00 Jonathan Callaway
      Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement21/07/10 08:08:00 Jane Holland
         Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement22/07/10 12:58:00 Bryony Evens
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 12:24:00 Paul Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 12:26:00 Hugh Thompson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 12:31:00 M Blissett
                  Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 12:47:00 Richard Hodges
                     Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 12:56:00 M Blissett
                        Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 13:43:00 Roger Lee
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement23/07/10 13:46:00 Roger Lee
                        Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement26/07/10 11:47:00 Richard Hodges
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement26/07/10 22:58:00 Jonathan Callaway
                              Re:Cycling on the pavement27/07/10 18:20:00 Richard Hodges
                                 Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement27/07/10 20:36:00 Ian Everley
                                 Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement27/07/10 21:06:00 Jonathan Callaway
                                    Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement28/07/10 13:16:00 Richard Hodges
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement28/07/10 14:38:00 Richard Carter
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on the pavement28/07/10 18:14:00 Jonathan Callaway
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:07:00 Jane Eades
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:15:00 Richard Carter
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:19:00 Alex Lamont
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:16:00 Alex Greenbank
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:32:00 Jane Eades
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:34:00 Roger Lee
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 14:42:00 Alex Lamont
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 15:06:00 Roger Lee
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 15:28:00 Richard Carter
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on ythe pavement23/07/10 16:27:00 Maczysz Dzieduszycki

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