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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 2018
Posted by: Malcolm Grimston
Date/Time: 14/06/18 15:26:00

In my view we elect politicians to take decisions in what they see as our best interests (and I believe the vast majority take decisions on exactly that basis). I go with the great speech by Edmund Burke (with apologies for the sexist language).

"It ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiased opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion." (That last sentence is magnificent.)

Referendum has never been a part of our way of doing politics because referendum takes as its starting point that we cannot trust the MPs who we elect to act in our interests. Even if occasionally we feel it may be the case, that where on earth do we go from there? In any case how could we boil down something as complex and many-faceted as our relationship with the countries to our direct north, east, south and west in areas such as trade, economics, movement of people, culture, science into a single yes-no question? To take an example from my field, what was the decision of the British people with respect to EURATOM? We elect and expect our representatives to dedicate themselves to understanding these fiendishly complicated matters and coming up with sensible and workable policies. I certainly understand only a fraction of the issues involved in the single market, customs union, European cooperation in areas like food regulation, crime, space research, environmental protection and so on and have no confidence at all that I could take a sensible decision in any of these fields, let alone all of them.

So if Zac Goldsmith or Kate Hoey, say, believe we should leave the EU then they have a duty to support and argue that case in parliament even if their electors hold the opposite view. And if Justine supports the case put forward by the government she should support it even if her electors do not.

Party loyalties do muddy this ideal (one of the reasons why I don't want anything to do with Party whips any more!) but I can't believe that we would get better and more coherent decision-making if every policy had to be decided on the grounds of public opinion at a particular moment in time.


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Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 17:17:00 Nicholas Evans
   Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 17:24:00 Barbara Shillabeer
      Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 17:40:00 Nicholas Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 19:41:00 Mike Warman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 20:32:00 Mark Stephens
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 20:49:00 Alexander MacLeod
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 21:06:00 Alexander MacLeod
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 09:11:00 David Ainsworth
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 15:26:00 Malcolm Grimston
      Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 17:40:00 Andrew Thomas
         Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201813/06/18 19:32:00 Sue Hammond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 07:06:00 David Parker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 07:57:00 Sue Hammond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 09:44:00 Nicholas Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 12:02:00 Barbara Shillabeer
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 16:35:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 16:40:00 Craig Fordham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 17:40:00 Nicholas Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 19:00:00 Sue Hammond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 22:52:00 Andy Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201814/06/18 22:53:00 Andy Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 08:16:00 Elizabeth Balsom
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 08:24:00 Sue Hammond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 08:26:00 Sue Hammond
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 09:43:00 Jonathan Callaway
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 10:51:00 David Ainsworth
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 11:17:00 Sue Hammond
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 11:44:00 David Ainsworth
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 12:34:00 Chantal Blake-Milton
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 12:59:00 Jane Carter
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 16:49:00 Sue Hammond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 20:39:00 Matt Palmer
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 21:52:00 Sue Hammond
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 21:31:00 Alexander MacLeod
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 23:21:00 Jenny Featherstone
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 20:09:00 Matt Palmer
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201816/06/18 10:26:00 Mike Warman
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201816/06/18 10:33:00 Mike Warman
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201816/06/18 11:03:00 David Ainsworth
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201819/06/18 13:58:00 Elizabeth Balsom
   Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201815/06/18 15:55:00 David McConnon
   Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201826/06/18 09:40:00 Simon Nicklinson
      Re:Re:Justine Greening votes with government 12 June 201826/06/18 09:50:00 Simon Nicklinson

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