| Topic: | Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | |
| Posted by: | Richard Carter | |
| Date/Time: | 24/11/25 18:13:00 |
| The whole thing is a complete mess. Tin its original form, the “agreement” makes completely unacceptable demands on Ukraine (to name just a few: not dealing with the many war crimes committed, especially in Bucha, cutting Ukraine’s defence forces, handing over territory that Russia hasn’t even been able to occupy yet – this “agreement” resembles more and more that from Czechoslovakia 1938 with Trump cosplayng Chamberlain) there is utter confusion on where it originated. Most likely it was foisted on amateur diplomat Steve Witkoff. He’s just a real estate dealer with absolutely no knowledge or understanding of history, he doesn’t understand how diplomacy works, he travels alone without even a note taker or, even worse, his own interpreter (he doesn’t speak Russian but relied on a Kremlin official for this). On this last point you could imagine an exchange like this: Kirill Dmitriev (speaking in Russian and quoting Monty Python and the Holy Grail): “Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!” Translator (in English): “Mr Witkoff, you are a really tough negotiator.” Witkoff: “Why, thank you very much, Mr Dimitriev sir, I believe you’re right.” |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 22/11/25 19:17:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 22/11/25 19:18:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 22/11/25 20:49:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Reply | 23/11/25 10:23:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Reply | 23/11/25 10:45:00 | Andy Pike |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 23/11/25 11:44:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Reply | 23/11/25 13:22:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 23/11/25 13:40:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 23/11/25 14:42:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 23/11/25 15:16:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Reply | 23/11/25 16:34:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/11/25 18:11:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Reply | 23/11/25 15:19:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 23/11/25 15:52:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Reply | 24/11/25 12:43:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Reply | 24/11/25 12:40:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 23/11/25 16:23:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 23/11/25 17:50:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Reply | 23/11/25 18:19:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 23/11/25 19:39:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 23/11/25 20:25:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 23/11/25 20:59:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Santions | 23/11/25 22:13:00 | Ed Robinson |
| Re:Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 23/11/25 22:58:00 | Jonathan Callaway |
| Re:Re:Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 24/11/25 01:13:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 24/11/25 07:40:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Reply | 24/11/25 10:37:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 24/11/25 11:12:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Reply | 24/11/25 11:35:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 24/11/25 13:16:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 24/11/25 13:46:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Re:Reply | 24/11/25 12:51:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Reply | 24/11/25 12:50:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 24/11/25 14:13:00 | Ivonne Holliday |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 24/11/25 16:07:00 | John Hawkes |
| Reply | 24/11/25 13:58:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 24/11/25 18:13:00 | Richard Carter |
| Re:Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offe | 24/11/25 20:18:00 | Steven Rose |
| Reply | 24/11/25 23:29:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 25/11/25 09:21:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Trump: Ukraine peace plan isn’t my final offer | 24/11/25 22:42:00 | Gerry Boyce |