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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 14/07/25 22:09:00

I don’t believe that any of the critics of Israel on the Forum are sympathetic  to Hamas  (though opinion polls suggests that support for Hamas is quite common among British Muslims). One or two contributors are anti-Zionists, an attitude which borders on anti-Semitism since it effectively denies  Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. But for the most part the critics have unthinkingly  adopted the Palestinian cause, holding Israel responsible for all the problems in the conflict. They selectively cite events which support this position (e.g. the naqba in 1948, the occupation of the West Bank in 1967, the blockade of Gaza from 2005 and now the death of civilians) while ignoring all the evidence which contradicts  their view (e.g. the attack on Israel in 1948 by the surrounding Arab states, the expulsion of Jews from Muslim countries, the militarisation of Gaza by Hamas, the rejection of Israel’s offer to withdraw from the West Bank in return for peace, the pogrom of 7 October, the support for Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank). With this mindset they delegitimise every action taken by the Israelis to eliminate the threat from Hamas. So when the Israelis accidentally kill civilians, it’s a war crime, and when they move civilians out of harm’s way, it’s ethnic cleansing and still a war crime. And even when they kill Hamas militants, it’s Israel’s fault for having provoked Hamas in the first place.

Quite why the left (for it is mainly the left, typified by the ‘Guardian ‘ and the BBC) have adopted the Palestinian cause in such a one sided way is difficult to say. There may be some latent anti-Semitism, which was the case of Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. There is certainly a degree of anti-colonialism in that the Israelis are seen as European imperialists who have stolen land from the indigenous people. On university campuses there is also a problem of intimidation, whereby students find it easier to go along with the prevailing ethos rather risk being ostracised for attempting to defend Israel. And of course the conflict offers ample opportunities to individuals who wish to display their humanitarian sentiments, though, strangely, they don’t apply them to the war in Ukraine.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Médecins Sans Frontières.10/07/25 22:59:00 Michael Brigo
   Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 00:58:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 05:50:00 Emarisa Battoia
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:48:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 19:21:00 Emarisa Battoia
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:53:00 David Ainsworth
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 12:00:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:15:00 Michael Brigo
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:40:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 11:37:00 Michael Brigo
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 12:21:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 11:05:00 David Ainsworth
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 12:30:00 John Hawkes
   Reply11/07/25 12:09:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply11/07/25 12:36:00 John Hawkes
         Reply11/07/25 21:41:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply11/07/25 15:17:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Reply11/07/25 18:09:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply11/07/25 23:49:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 00:11:00 David Ainsworth
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 08:02:00 Jane Carter
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 09:30:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 09:49:00 Ed Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply13/07/25 12:58:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply15/07/25 22:37:00 Ed Robinson
                        Britain created this12/07/25 10:01:00 David Ainsworth
                           Re:Britain created this13/07/25 11:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 10:43:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 10:48:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply13/07/25 11:41:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply13/07/25 12:35:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.13/07/25 15:38:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.13/07/25 16:23:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.13/07/25 21:22:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 08:32:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 12:09:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 13:38:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 13:47:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 16:11:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 16:50:00 Gerry Boyce
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 16:55:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 17:01:00 Richard Carter
                     50 dead and alive Israeli hostages; Afghans in Iran14/07/25 17:36:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:50 dead and alive Israeli hostages; Afghans in Iran14/07/25 20:23:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 17:41:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 20:24:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 14:34:00 Richard Carter
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 14:39:00 Richard Carter
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 16:23:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 21:29:00 Michael Brigo
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 20:18:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 22:09:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 14:31:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 20:31:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 21:38:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 13:37:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 14:59:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 08:33:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 00:51:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 09:14:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 11:32:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 12:49:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 19:50:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 16:49:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 20:01:00 Steven Rose

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