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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 14/07/25 16:11:00

Michael, if you don't wish to communicate with John, that is your choice. But I hope you are prepared to communicate with me. If so, why not tell me whether you think the Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians?

Richard, you really should stop labelling criticism of your views as a 'smear'. The category about which you ask includes you, Gerry and a number of other contributors to the Forum who I would call the 'Israel can do nothing right brigade'. I am afraid that admitting that Israel suffered a murderous assault on October 7 2023 does not count as being open minded. Being open minded also implies a willingness to appreciate that Israel cannot tolerate the presence on its border of a massive terrorist organisation dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state and the extermination of its Jewish population. You dismiss this threat by arguing that Hamas lack the means to kill all the Jews in Israel. This is obviously true, but they are clearly capable of raping, mutilating and murdering a thousand with a promise of more to come. It you were an Israeli citizen rather than sitting in the safety of Putney, I don't think you would be quite so dismissive about the threat posed by Hamas. None of this, of course, means that Israel should be immune to criticism. I and several other people on the Forum have been critical of Israel's policies, from the settlements on the West Bank to the tactics of the IDF. But I see no willingness on the part of critics of Israel on the Forum to see both sides. Instead they offer relentless criticism of Israel with no recognition of the attempts by the IDF to reduce civilian casualties, no understanding of the difficulty of eliminating terrorists who shield behind civilians, no compassion for the hostages and no solution other than a unilateral ceasefire by Israel leaving Hamas intact.    


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Médecins Sans Frontières.10/07/25 22:59:00 Michael Brigo
   Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 00:58:00 Steven Rose
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 05:50:00 Emarisa Battoia
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:48:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 19:21:00 Emarisa Battoia
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:53:00 David Ainsworth
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 12:00:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:15:00 Michael Brigo
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 09:40:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 11:37:00 Michael Brigo
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 12:21:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 11:05:00 David Ainsworth
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.11/07/25 12:30:00 John Hawkes
   Reply11/07/25 12:09:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply11/07/25 12:36:00 John Hawkes
         Reply11/07/25 21:41:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply11/07/25 15:17:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Reply11/07/25 18:09:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply11/07/25 23:49:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 00:11:00 David Ainsworth
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 08:02:00 Jane Carter
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 09:30:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 09:49:00 Ed Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply13/07/25 12:58:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply15/07/25 22:37:00 Ed Robinson
                        Britain created this12/07/25 10:01:00 David Ainsworth
                           Re:Britain created this13/07/25 11:02:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 10:43:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply12/07/25 10:48:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply13/07/25 11:41:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply13/07/25 12:35:00 Lucille Grant
   Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.13/07/25 15:38:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.13/07/25 16:23:00 John Hawkes
   Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.13/07/25 21:22:00 Gerry Boyce
      Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 08:32:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 12:09:00 Steven Rose
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 13:38:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 13:47:00 Gerry Boyce
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 16:11:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 16:50:00 Gerry Boyce
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 16:55:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 17:01:00 Richard Carter
                     50 dead and alive Israeli hostages; Afghans in Iran14/07/25 17:36:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:50 dead and alive Israeli hostages; Afghans in Iran14/07/25 20:23:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 17:41:00 Steven Rose
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 20:24:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 14:34:00 Richard Carter
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 14:39:00 Richard Carter
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 16:23:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 21:29:00 Michael Brigo
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 20:18:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.14/07/25 22:09:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 14:31:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 20:31:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 21:38:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 13:37:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 14:59:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.15/07/25 08:33:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 00:51:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 09:14:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 11:32:00 Steven Rose
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 12:49:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 19:50:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 16:49:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Médecins Sans Frontières.16/07/25 20:01:00 Steven Rose

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