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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Instability of purpose
Posted by: Steven Rose
Date/Time: 02/07/25 23:13:00

You are quite entitled, Richard, to stop posting on this issue if you are weary of arguing. But in that case the right thing would be either not to reply or to say ‘I see no point in continuing the discussion’ and signing off. What is not quite acceptable is making your point and then  saying that the discussion is closed. That sounds suspiciously like trying to have the last word, no?

I don’t think ‘Death to the IDF’ is anti-Semitic but it is an incitement to violence against the citizens of a friendly country. ‘Death to the Russian Armed Forces’ would be an incitement to violence against the citizens of an unfriendly country.  ‘Death to the IRA’ would be an incitement to vigilante violence against the members of a nasty terrorist organisation. To pretend that the target of the violence in all these cases would be organisations rather than people is absurdly disingenuous. I don’t approve of what Vylan said and I would not approve of hate speech against Russian soldiers or IRA terrorists either, much as I would like to see them defeated.

What possible meaning can ‘From the River to the Sea’ have, given that the sea in question is the Mediterranean, other than the dismemberment of the State of Israel. This is how the phrase is used by the enemies of Israel.

Hafez Al-Assad (1966): ‘We shall only accept war and the restoration of the usurped land … to oust you, aggressors, and throw you into the sea for good.’

Hamas (2017): ‘Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine from the river to the sea.’



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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 11:18:00 Sue Hammond
   Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 11:30:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 11:42:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 11:48:00 Michael Brigo
            Reply29/06/25 12:15:00 Sue Hammond
               Re:Reply29/06/25 12:26:00 Michael Brigo
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 12:30:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 12:34:00 Michael Brigo
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 12:49:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 14:26:00 Michael Brigo
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 15:16:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 17:01:00 Michael Brigo
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 22:54:00 Michael Brigo
                                 Reply30/06/25 16:06:00 Michael Ixer
                                    Re:Reply01/07/25 10:44:00 John Hawkes
   Reply29/06/25 12:47:00 Michael Ixer
   Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 13:31:00 Ivonne Holliday
      Reply29/06/25 14:20:00 Sue Hammond
         Re:Reply29/06/25 14:44:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Reply29/06/25 14:56:00 Andy Pike
               Nurse! Nurse!30/06/25 13:42:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Nurse! Nurse!30/06/25 14:14:00 Andy Pike
                     Re:Re:Nurse! Nurse!30/06/25 14:18:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Nurse! Nurse!30/06/25 14:32:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Re:Nurse! Nurse!01/07/25 10:52:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 16:43:00 John Hawkes
   Reply29/06/25 21:40:00 Michael Ixer
   Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡29/06/25 23:29:00 Joe Cairns
      Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡30/06/25 14:14:00 Gerry Boyce
         Re:Re:Re:Glastonbury ~ Mr Vylan😡30/06/25 15:36:00 Michael Brigo
   Reply30/06/25 13:37:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply30/06/25 13:53:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Reply30/06/25 14:14:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Reply30/06/25 14:20:00 Robert Wheeler
            Re:Re:Re:Reply30/06/25 14:37:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 11:15:00 John Hawkes
                  Surely, death to Forum debate?01/07/25 11:39:00 David Ainsworth
                     Re:Surely, death to Forum debate?01/07/25 12:04:00 John Hawkes
                     Re:Surely, death to Forum debate?01/07/25 13:35:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:Surely, death to Forum debate?01/07/25 14:23:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 11:11:00 John Hawkes
      Re:Reply30/06/25 14:38:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply30/06/25 15:02:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply30/06/25 15:11:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply01/07/25 10:56:00 John Hawkes
   Reply30/06/25 15:03:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Reply30/06/25 15:17:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Reply30/06/25 15:35:00 Michael Ixer
         Re:Re:Reply30/06/25 15:37:00 Steven Rose
            Misunderstanding alert!30/06/25 16:38:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Misunderstanding alert!30/06/25 17:24:00 Steven Rose
               Re:Misunderstanding alert!01/07/25 12:01:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 11:29:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 11:26:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 12:37:00 Lucille Grant
      Reply30/06/25 17:10:00 Michael Ixer
         Back on topic 30/06/25 22:14:00 Sue Hammond
            Re:Back on topic 01/07/25 12:08:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Back on topic 01/07/25 13:18:00 Michael Ixer
                  Re:Re:Re:Back on topic 01/07/25 13:24:00 John Hawkes
            Re:Back on topic 01/07/25 16:08:00 Gerry Boyce
            What fools these mortals be01/07/25 17:47:00 David Ainsworth
               Re:What fools these mortals be02/07/25 13:03:00 John Hawkes
                  "Just the facts, ma'am"02/07/25 13:10:00 David Ainsworth
                     Re:"Just the facts, ma'am"02/07/25 13:33:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:"Just the facts, ma'am"02/07/25 14:11:00 David Ainsworth
                           Re:Re:Re:"Just the facts, ma'am"02/07/25 14:31:00 John Hawkes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:"Just the facts, ma'am"02/07/25 14:52:00 David Ainsworth
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"Just the facts, ma'am"02/07/25 20:31:00 Michael Brigo
      Re:Reply01/07/25 11:20:00 John Hawkes
         Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 12:10:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 12:14:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 13:10:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 18:50:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 13:11:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 13:40:00 Lucille Grant
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 12:43:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 13:40:00 John Hawkes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 14:05:00 Lucille Grant
            Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 12:44:00 Lucille Grant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 13:50:00 John Hawkes
                  Reply02/07/25 14:01:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 13:01:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 14:46:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 16:43:00 John Hawkes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 15:24:00 David Ainsworth
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 16:13:00 John Hawkes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 16:28:00 Ivonne Holliday
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/07/25 16:49:00 John Hawkes
                        Through the Looking Glass01/07/25 17:35:00 David Ainsworth
                           Reply01/07/25 19:15:00 Sue Hammond
                              Re:Reply01/07/25 23:24:00 Steven Rose
                                 Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 00:04:00 David Ainsworth
                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 00:49:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 07:33:00 Lucille Grant
            Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 13:36:00 John Hawkes
               Reply02/07/25 13:54:00 Michael Ixer
   Reply02/07/25 09:31:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply02/07/25 11:13:00 Robert Wheeler
         Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 12:05:00 David Ainsworth
         Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 12:29:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Reply02/07/25 11:28:00 Steven Rose
         Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 12:35:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 12:37:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 13:19:00 Steven Rose
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 13:34:00 Richard Carter
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/07/25 14:16:00 John Hawkes
                     Instability of purpose02/07/25 14:36:00 David Ainsworth
                        Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 15:38:00 Steven Rose
                           Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 16:16:00 John Hawkes
                           Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 16:52:00 Richard Carter
                              Re:Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 18:29:00 Steven Rose
                                 Reply02/07/25 19:31:00 Sue Hammond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 20:53:00 Ivonne Holliday
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 21:30:00 Richard Carter
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 23:13:00 Steven Rose
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Instability of purpose02/07/25 23:21:00 Richard Carter

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