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Topic: Why the Councillors got it all wrong
Posted by: Nicholas Evans
Date/Time: 30/06/12 15:08:00

Earlier in the thread I posted both the "open letter" to the three Thamesfield Councillors and their reply.

In the view of those who wrote the open letter their is completely inadequate, although it does identify what their views actually are. They are unquestioningly for the WBC development, whatever the consequences.

The main points I take from their letter can be summed up as follows:

>>They have completely ignored the request for an Open Meeting where residents can put their views to Wandsworth Council.

>> They have failed to answer the residents concerns in any detail.

>> They use the need for more primary school places to justify a 2FE school on the site, without exploring alternatives, or considering the damage this will cause;

>> They wrongly draw parallels with the PCT Polyclinic which was granted approval earlier despite obvious differences between the two (the school is three times the size, the access road encroaches further onto the Common, the Polyclinic had parking space for 80+ cars);

>> They ignore the serious nature of the reasons the application was declared invalidwhich have been set out here so unambiguously.

For those of you who have the patience I am pasting below a response to their reply (the third letter in the chain) which was emailed to them today. I have included the text of the Councillors letter to make it easier to read but also rather longer than usual.

Nick

[Text of letter from Rosemary Torrington, Michael Ryder and Jim Madden, with responses from a group of Putney residents.]

Thank you for your email concerning the future of the Putney Hospital site.

We would like to set out our views as local councillors about the potential use of the site for a new community school.

Our local area has a large population of young families resulting in an increasing demand for school places which the council has a statutory duty to provide.  We receive many letters from distraught families who cannot currently secure a local school place for their child.

>> We agree that there is an increasing demand for primary places. However in Thamesfield the peak is nearer 1.5FE than 2FE (ref Paul Robinson). The need to meet the demand for primary places in Putney generally and in Thamesfield specifically does not in any way justify the overdevelopment of the Putney Hospital site and the multiple damage this would cause.>>

There are very few sites that become available over the years that would make a suitable location for a new local school.   This is a brownfield site that already has planning approval for buildings of a similar scale for community use and is near to where many local young families live, including those on the Ranelagh Estate, one of the less advantaged parts of our community.    When the National Health Service declared it redundant for its purposes, it opened up the opportunity to consider its use as a local school.

>> We disagree that the Putney Hospital site is suitable for such a large school. The actual land owned by Wandsworth is insufficient for both a 2FE school and flats and the development proposed will therefore have severe repercussions. The earlier planning approval was not for buildings of “a similar scale” to those proposed. In terms of site occupation the Health Clinic was one-third of the area of the school. There have been no figures given for the number of children requiring primary school places who live on the Ranlagh Estate. Indeed requests to Paul Robinson for details of where the demand he expects will actually originate have not been answered.>>

It is important to state that had the Council not stepped in, the site would have been available for private development and not automatically been returned to Common land.

>> The proposed school is only feasible because of encroachment onto Lower Common of the access road and turnaround. The agreement with WPCC clearly contravenes the 1871 Act, specifically Clauses 34 and 35. The right to license services across common land does not allow the Conservators to grant the right to allow others to build and maintain permanent roads. There are other alternatives to “private development”. These include a 1FE school, sheltered housing, high end residential or mix of affordable and private residential  No one has ever suggested that the land would be returned to Common Land, but equally no one has ever been given the opportunity to fully investigate whether this is a realistic option.  It is patently obvious that the Council stepped in to support WPCT, and to ensure that the receipts did not go to the Treasury.  WPCT have spent millions protecting the site for the past 15 years, rather than part with it.  There is no opposition to private development of the land, and in the event of private development, the outcome is likely to be vastly superior to a poorly thought out scheme that is inappropriate.  The only difference would be where the receipts end up, and it also likely that the receipt to both the Treasury and to WPCC would also be very substantially more.>>
 
Projected demand for pupil places from local families indicates that a new school will need to be large enough to admit up to 60 children a year. Building a school that could only take 30 children would mean that we would soon be looking for an additional local site and it makes sense to provide as much choice as possible to plan for future need in local area.
 
>> The projections are not as clear cut as you say (see above). In any event the fact that the Council perceives it needs new places for 60 children a year does not justify overdeveloping the PH site.  Should the new school produce an oversupply it is clear that an existing 1FE primary school will be under threat of closure.>>
 
Some local families also contact us seeking a school place for children with special educational needs.  It is hoped that the new school will provide some specialist support on site, as well as allowing children to join in with mainstream classes.
 
>> We do not dispute the need for an excellent education system to meet all needs at primary level. However, building an outsize school on the PH site to meet all such needs in the future cannot be justified on the grounds set out in detail in the 200+ objections registered on the WBC Planning Website.>>

You have raised concerns about the traffic that could be generated by locating a school on the site.   One of the advantages of having an additional local school in the area is that many parents and children will be able to easily walk to school, particularly as the catchment will be determined by distance from the school gate. We have also suggested the school runs its own bus service, as Roche School does, to collect children from agreed locations at fixed times to help support working parents. In addition, the site is served by the 22 and 485 buses.  However, we would be interested in other suggestions about how to mitigate the impact of the school run.>>

>> The Putney Hospital site is on the very edge of Thamesfield. It has Common on one side and the river on the other. There are no less than five existing primary schools in the ward of Thamesfield, more than any other ward in the borough.  Most of the demand will not come from Thamesfield and it is utter nonsense to suggest that parents and primary school children will walk to the school if they are coming from further afield.  The Councillors appear to be in complete denial that the Lower Richmond Road is one of the most congested and dangerous roads in the borough. The demand for a school will necessarily generate demand for car journeys. Public transport is insufficient to meet the need generated by 420 pupils, siblings, parents/helpers and staff. Illegal set-downs on local roads will inevitably result. Parking restrictions will not alleviate that situation when it occurs.>>
   
>> The location of the primary school on a congested and busy road will expose young children to a 30% increase in asthma and chronic chest disease.  Locating a new build primary school on a congested road was described by a health expert in asthma as “totally irresponsible”.>>

For those few parents who will drive, we have suggested that longer-stay bays be located on site to accommodate parents who wish to speak to teachers but the school green travel plan which will also cover teachers and administrative staff, will make it clear that the preference must always be to use public transport. The introduction of all day parking controls in surrounding streets will be a matter for consultation with local residents to see what the local community would like in their streets.

>> The number of parents expected to drive was seriously underestimated in the desk based Vectos traffic report. There is nowhere on the site for longer-stay bays to be positioned. There are 5 parking spaces in total.  The school travel plan is a generic document that was unfit for purpose. The local streets are already subject to parking controls and have no spare capacity.>>
 
We will be asking that a pedestrian crossing be considered nearby to help children cross Lower Richmond Road safely.  The service road for the school means that “school traffic” will not be dropping off or waiting on the public highway.  The service road proposal is very similar to that approved for the former hospital scheme.

>> The service road proposal is not at all similar to the Health Centre scheme which had parking facilities for over 80 cars and plenty of space to manoeuvre. It also had no “turnaround” as the buildings were not overlarge. The pedestrian crossing shown on the plans for the proposal across one of the busiest roads in the Borough will not have the capacity to handle the volume of pedestrians using it (over 500 in one hour). Once they have reached the Lower Common they will still have to cross the busy school access road to reach the school entrance. These are very serious hazards with severe risk of fatal accidents.  Comparing the service road to the former “hospital scheme” is ludicrous.  The hospital has been closed for 15 years. A closed hospital is not a large primary school and 24 flats. All the previous access roads reverted to the ownership of WPCC when the site was sold. All encroachments made under licence on to the Common were thereby cancelled. The only access road/s to the land on which the Hospital was built (shown on Plan B of the 1871 Act) are located at the front of the site. Those at the sides are later additions which do not provide justification for new-build roads and roundabouts which should be placed within the area actually owned by the WBC.>>

The proposed flats are necessary to fund the construction of the school.  A very similar model had already been approved for the National Health Service application.  In the current economic times, unless a benefactor was to come forward, these are commercial realities that have to be addressed.

>> We do not approve of the suggested design for the flats or their height. But approval of a particular design style is a subjective judgement. More importantly we are very concerned about their likely impact on the Common and local environment. But we agree that the financial model to provide funds can be helpful. However this again does not justify the sheer size of the building proposed.  Comparing the funding model to the PCT polyclinic is meaningless.  The polyclinic scheme had sufficient land for the flats, the school does not.  Wandsworth could make the necessary investment to build the school without the flats, but chooses not to do so, despite having more than sufficient cash reserves. The profit from the flats in terms of the contribution to the overall budget is not critical.>>

The playground for older children is located on the roof because of the constraints of the site boundaries.

>> Not so. The constraints of the boundaries are caused by building to the very edge of the land owned by WBC and by the inclusion of the flats on land which could be a playground.  With a smaller building greater space for a playground would become available. The access road should remain on Council land with the turnaround for coaches at the front of the site adjacent to the LRR, where the original access roads were located pre-1871 and more recently when the hospital was in operation. The noise generated by a play area on the roof will be unacceptable (as noted by the Borough Environmental Department).>>

The WPCC boundaries understandably prevent the school from encroaching on Common land for further play facilities.
 
>> All encroachment on Common land is illegal and morally indefensible in any circumstances. The development should stay within its own boundaries and not impinge on the Common.>>

We will be making representations to ensure that there are opportunities for the new school to take full advantage of the sports facilities at Barn Elms.  There is, however, a need for breaks between lessons and at lunch for which the roof play space will be used by older children and the play area at ground level by the younger children.

>> See above. Design a smaller school with a play area outside. Consider alternatives. We agree Barn Elms is a good sports area.>>

We share your concerns about the poor handling of the administration of the planning application.  We have voiced concerns about this, understanding the application was made by Children’s Services, another Council department.  Quite correctly, the application has been withdrawn and we understand it is to be resubmitted in the correct format.  We were concerned that Children’s Services sought to rely on a desk top survey and have made strong representations following which a field survey has been undertaken with regard to traffic movements.  This will be submitted with the application.

>> It was not just “poor handling”. It was dishonesty and maladministration of a serious nature. An inquiry is necessary.  The planning department of WBC knowing that the application was invalid denied it repeatedly.  It is self evident that they cannot be trusted to administer any new application in a transparent and unbiased manner.  The applicant, Wandsworth CSD, may have knowingly made statements which were untrue, in support of the planning application, and may have acted unlawfully. This is also not a case of “technical difficulties” as the WBC said in a recent press statement.>>

We would reserve any formal views until we have seen the new application, but subject to satisfactory traffic and travel arrangements, and bearing in mind the existing permission for the site and the urgent need for school places, we think the scheme in general offers benefits for local residents. We would like to see some softening of the architecture so that it is welcoming to small children. We will be making representations to this effect so that it will be clear that the developers need to address this point as part of the scheme design.

>> The application submitted in February is invalid.  The proposal offered no benefits for local residents, as amply evidenced by the strong opposition to the now invalid application.  The “developer” is the Council. You are Councillors to whom the developer is responsible. You should be questioning the very decision to build an overlarge school on a sensitive site, supporting the majority views of the residents you represent, not supporting a scheme that it unfit for the site, in so many many ways. You should support the need for radical change to be incorporated into any new application made by the “developer” which is Wandsworth Council itself.>>

One of us will, of course, be very happy to represent residents’ views at the Planning Applications Committee.

<< We will consider your offer. We are not convinced from the answers in this letter that you will be able to put forward our objections in a forceful or convincing manner.>>

A group of concerned Putney Residents.




Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Continuation thread for Putney Hospital28/04/12 14:38:00 Vic Condon
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital30/04/12 14:17:00 Jim Maddan
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital30/04/12 14:43:00 Rufus Hill
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital30/04/12 15:47:00 Lucille Grant
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital07/05/12 00:27:00 Peter Carpenter
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital30/04/12 15:13:00 Jim Maddan
      Hooray.......the parking solution for the teachers and mummies30/04/12 15:34:00 John Cameron
         Re:Hooray.......the parking solution for the teachers and mummies30/04/12 16:05:00 Rufus Hill
   consultation ends today.........link to WBC's website30/04/12 16:10:00 John Cameron
      Re:consultation ends today.........link to WBC's website30/04/12 16:38:00 Mairi Anne Bowen
         Re:Re:consultation ends today.........link to WBC's website30/04/12 18:27:00 Nicholas Evans
   Scores on doors / place your bets.....01/05/12 20:49:00 John Cameron
      Re:Scores on doors / place your bets.....01/05/12 21:26:00 Alex Harvey
         Re:Re:Scores on doors / place your bets.....02/05/12 07:24:00 Mairi Anne Bowen
   WBC's Environmental Services comments on application02/05/12 18:28:00 John Cameron
      busy day for uploading objections 02/05/12 23:07:00 John Cameron
         another busy day for uploading objections...and today's quiz04/05/12 16:11:00 John Cameron
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital04/05/12 22:18:00 Andrew Wilson
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital04/05/12 22:50:00 Martine Guy
         Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital05/05/12 11:13:00 Vic Condon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital05/05/12 15:16:00 Martine Guy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital05/05/12 19:37:00 Vic Condon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital05/05/12 22:30:00 Martine Guy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital06/05/12 21:39:00 Andrew Wilson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital06/05/12 23:00:00 Guy Cameron
                           Continuation thread for Putney Hospital07/05/12 10:22:00 John Cameron
                              Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital07/05/12 17:46:00 Andrew Wilson
                                 Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital07/05/12 19:07:00 Rufus Hill
                                    Putney Hospital - why the excuse of "for commercial reasons"?08/05/12 15:09:00 Nicholas Evans
                                       Re:Putney Hospital - why the excuse of "for commercial reasons"?08/05/12 15:39:00 John Cameron
                                          Re:Re:Putney Hospital - why the excuse of "for commercial reasons"?08/05/12 16:10:00 Vic Condon
         Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital08/05/12 15:48:00 Matt Palmer
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital08/05/12 16:21:00 Rufus Hill
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital08/05/12 16:50:00 Martine Guy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital08/05/12 17:07:00 Nicholas Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital09/05/12 13:17:00 Andrew Wilson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital09/05/12 19:46:00 Bunny Payne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital09/05/12 22:29:00 Andrew Wilson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital10/05/12 09:41:00 Nicholas Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital10/05/12 10:32:00 Rufus Hill
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital10/05/12 14:38:00 Stephen Walker
                                    Rt Hon J Greening's letter to WBC dated 25 April 10/05/12 18:56:00 John Cameron
                                       Re:Rt Hon J Greening's letter to WBC dated 25 April 10/05/12 21:02:00 Bunny Payne
                                          Re:Re:Rt Hon J Greening's letter to WBC dated 25 April 11/05/12 12:51:00 Nicholas Evans
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital10/05/12 22:19:00 Andrew Wilson
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital10/05/12 22:32:00 Stephen Walker
         Rocks Lane Traffic Signals10/05/12 22:51:00 Vic Condon
            Re:Rocks Lane Traffic Signals10/05/12 23:02:00 Andrew Wilson
               Re:Re:Rocks Lane Traffic Signals11/05/12 08:50:00 Sue Hammond
   WBC's website improvement and further objections 11/05/12 20:33:00 John Cameron
      Re:WBC's website improvement and further objections 12/05/12 16:32:00 Nicholas Evans
   The WPCC easement /GLA response / further objections14/05/12 16:49:00 John Cameron
      just how long does it take to upload objections...?14/05/12 16:59:00 John Cameron
         Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?14/05/12 19:09:00 Sue Hammond
            Councillor Govindia's response to the Putney Society.....14/05/12 19:22:00 John Cameron
               Re:Councillor Govindia's response to the Putney Society.....14/05/12 19:53:00 Guy Cameron
            Re:Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?14/05/12 19:47:00 Stephen Walker
               Re:Re:Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?14/05/12 21:11:00 Andrew Wilson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?14/05/12 21:29:00 Stephen Walker
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?14/05/12 21:54:00 Andrew Wilson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?15/05/12 01:17:00 Nick Baker
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:just how long does it take to upload objections...?15/05/12 08:04:00 John Cameron
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Exaggerated projections of need for primary school places15/05/12 12:02:00 Nicholas Evans
                           Cllr Govindia's response to Putney Society15/05/12 12:40:00 John Cameron
                              Re:Cllr Govindia's response to Putney Society15/05/12 12:49:00 Matt Palmer
                                 Re:Re:Cllr Govindia's response to Putney Society15/05/12 13:45:00 Andrew Wilson
                                    are the demand numbers accurate, or rubbish......?15/05/12 14:02:00 John Cameron
                                       Re:are the demand numbers accurate, or rubbish......?15/05/12 15:17:00 Caroline Whitehead
                                          Re:Re:The WBC/WPCC Agreement15/05/12 15:41:00 Nicholas Evans
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital16/05/12 13:10:00 Andrew Wilson
      Traffic congestion16/05/12 14:42:00 Stephen Walker
         Re:Traffic congestion16/05/12 14:47:00 Mairi Anne Bowen
            Re:Re:Traffic congestion16/05/12 15:10:00 Lucille Grant
         Re:Traffic congestion16/05/12 17:38:00 Andrew Wilson
            Re:Re:Traffic congestion16/05/12 18:14:00 Nicholas Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Traffic congestion16/05/12 20:04:00 Stephen Walker
                  Traffic congestion and other stuff16/05/12 21:39:00 John Cameron
                     WBC's purchase of the Hospital Site17/05/12 09:47:00 John Cameron
         Re:Traffic congestion17/05/12 10:21:00 Mairi Anne Bowen
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital17/05/12 14:34:00 Andrew Wilson
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital17/05/12 17:00:00 Nicholas Evans
         Continuation thread for Putney Hospital17/05/12 17:24:00 John Cameron
            Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital17/05/12 17:40:00 Sue Hammond
               Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital17/05/12 17:52:00 Guy Cameron
            Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital17/05/12 17:53:00 Nicholas Evans
               Wandsworth's application is not valid18/05/12 14:37:00 John Cameron
                  Re:Wandsworth's application is not valid18/05/12 14:49:00 Mairi Anne Bowen
                     Re:Re:Wandsworth's application is not valid19/05/12 10:06:00 Roland Gilmore
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital19/05/12 18:12:00 Andrew Wilson
      Certificate B and planning regulations19/05/12 18:51:00 John Cameron
         Email to Seema Manchanda, and the invalid application21/05/12 10:22:00 John Cameron
   Email to Seema Manchanda, and the invalid application, part 222/05/12 11:44:00 John Cameron
      Re:Email to Seema Manchanda, and the invalid application, part 222/05/12 11:50:00 Andrew Wilson
      WBC confirm the application is invalid....22/05/12 11:52:00 John Cameron
         Re:WBC confirm the application is invalid....22/05/12 12:27:00 Sue Hammond
            Re:Re:WBC confirm the application is invalid....22/05/12 16:18:00 Sarah Roberts
               Shoddy, shoddy, shoddy...22/05/12 18:23:00 John Cameron
                  Re:Shoddy, shoddy, shoddy...23/05/12 07:21:00 John Cameron
   WBC update website to confirm invalid application23/05/12 10:18:00 John Cameron
      Re:WBC update website to confirm invalid application, part 223/05/12 13:14:00 John Cameron
         Re:Re:WBC update website to confirm invalid application, part 223/05/12 13:40:00 Rufus Hill
            Re:Re:Re:WBC update website to confirm invalid application, part 223/05/12 14:04:00 Vic Condon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:WBC update website confirms invalid - but Planning Services carry on regardless23/05/12 15:06:00 Nicholas Evans
                  WBC update website confirms invalid - but Planning Services carry on regardless23/05/12 16:43:00 John Cameron
            Re:Re:Re:WBC update website to confirm invalid application, part 223/05/12 19:40:00 D Plant
               Re:Re:Re:Re:WBC update website to confirm invalid application, part 223/05/12 20:11:00 Rufus Hill
                  Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 07:17:00 Sarah Roberts
                     Re:Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 08:32:00 Michael John
                        Re:Re:Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 09:43:00 Sarah Roberts
                           Re:Re:Re:Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 13:28:00 Stephen Walker
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Incompetence and dishonesty - hiding the facts24/05/12 16:26:00 Nicholas Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 21:26:00 Lucille Grant
                                 :Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 22:18:00 John Cameron
                                    Re::Incompetence and dishonesty24/05/12 22:52:00 Sue Hammond
                                       CIL 25/05/12 06:56:00 John Cameron
                                          Read this excellent article about Elliot, Greening and WBC25/05/12 09:40:00 John Cameron
                                             Re:Read this excellent article about Elliot, Greening and WBC25/05/12 12:14:00 Lucille Grant
                                             Re:Read this excellent article about Elliot, Greening and WBC25/05/12 15:58:00 Bernard Lopper
                                                Re:Re:Read this excellent article about Elliot, Greening and WBC25/05/12 18:43:00 Caroline Whitehead
                                       Re:Re::Incompetence and dishonesty25/05/12 13:20:00 Mark Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re::Incompetence and dishonesty25/05/12 14:10:00 Matt Palmer
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re::Incompetence and dishonesty25/05/12 18:23:00 Lucille Grant
                                                just a bit of fun........how to tell a resident to shove it, big time25/05/12 22:05:00 John Cameron
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Incompetence and dishonesty26/05/12 12:03:00 Matt Palmer
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital26/05/12 13:31:00 Guy Cameron
                                                      Continuation thread for Putney Hospital26/05/12 16:54:00 John Cameron
                                                         Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital27/05/12 12:20:00 Jean Gilmore
                                                            Your Local Guardian.......and the facts27/05/12 16:57:00 John Cameron
                                                               Re:Your Local Guardian.......and the facts27/05/12 17:05:00 Sue Hammond
                                                                  Re:Re:Your Local Guardian.......and the facts27/05/12 17:39:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Your Local Guardian.......and the facts27/05/12 17:45:00 Sue Hammond
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Your Local Guardian.......and the facts27/05/12 17:53:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Your Local Guardian.......and the facts27/05/12 21:27:00 Guy Sunda
                                                                              Your Local Guardian.......and the facts28/05/12 06:01:00 John Cameron
   when is an objection not an objection......?28/05/12 09:19:00 John Cameron
      Screw planning regulations...28/05/12 12:16:00 Sarah Roberts
         Re:Screw planning regulations...28/05/12 13:57:00 Andrew Wilson
            Re:Re:Screw planning regulations...28/05/12 19:50:00 Roland Gilmore
               Re:Re:Re:Screw planning regulations...28/05/12 22:00:00 Sarah Roberts
                  "To be used in perpetuity as a general hospital" Sir William Lancaster29/05/12 09:38:00 Nicholas Evans
                     Re:"To be used in perpetuity as a general hospital" Sir William Lancaster29/05/12 11:01:00 Lucille Grant
                        Re:Re:"To be used in perpetuity as a general hospital" Sir William Lancaster29/05/12 11:52:00 Bernard Lopper
                        Re:Re:"To be used in perpetuity as a general hospital" Sir William Lancaster29/05/12 11:59:00 Nicholas Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:"To be used in perpetuity as a general hospital" Sir William Lancaster29/05/12 13:03:00 Andrew Wilson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:"To be used in perpetuity as a general hospital" Sir William Lancaster29/05/12 16:02:00 Caroline Whitehead
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Screw planning regulations...02/06/12 13:09:00 Guy Sunda
   WPCC objection30/05/12 08:49:00 John Cameron
      Re:WPCC objection31/05/12 11:45:00 Vic Condon
   Just silence from our Councillors . . .31/05/12 10:07:00 Nicholas Evans
      Re:Just silence from our Councillors . . .31/05/12 11:39:00 Caroline Whitehead
         Sir William Lancaster's Trust Deeds31/05/12 15:44:00 Nicholas Evans
      Re:Just silence from our Councillors . . .31/05/12 19:20:00 John Cameron
         Not all the Councillors are silent.....just the ones with nothing to say .31/05/12 23:01:00 John Cameron
   Putney Green website......01/06/12 07:37:00 John Cameron
      Re:Putney Green website......01/06/12 09:44:00 Sarah Roberts
         Re:Re:Putney Green website......01/06/12 19:24:00 Andrew Wilson
   WPCC and WBC02/06/12 07:00:00 John Cameron
   Justine Greening, understands frustration03/06/12 10:17:00 John Cameron
      Re:Justine Greening, understands frustration03/06/12 11:28:00 Sue Hammond
         Re:Re:Justine Greening, understands frustration03/06/12 17:24:00 Vic Condon
            Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening, understands frustration03/06/12 18:06:00 Sue Hammond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Justine Greening, understands frustration03/06/12 18:17:00 Sue Hammond
      Re:Justine Greening, understands frustration03/06/12 20:00:00 Sarah Roberts
         WPCC & WBC06/06/12 16:39:00 Rufus Hill
            Re:WPCC & WBC06/06/12 17:04:00 Nicholas Evans
               Re:Re:WPCC & WBC06/06/12 17:48:00 Rufus Hill
                  WPCC & WBC06/06/12 19:02:00 John Cameron
                     Re:WPCC & WBC06/06/12 19:54:00 Stephen Walker
                        Definition of minor errors...06/06/12 22:31:00 John Cameron
                           Re:Definition of minor errors...06/06/12 23:14:00 Andrew Wilson
                              Re:Re:Definition of minor errors...07/06/12 20:01:00 Stephen Walker
                                 Re:Re:Re:Definition of minor errors...07/06/12 20:18:00 Andrew Wilson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of minor errors...07/06/12 22:17:00 Sarah Roberts
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of minor errors...07/06/12 22:17:00 Sarah Roberts
                                       Definition of a lie08/06/12 10:01:00 John Cameron
                                          Re:Definition of a lie08/06/12 12:14:00 Vic Condon
                                             Re:Re:Definition of a lie08/06/12 20:04:00 Stephen Walker
                                                Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie08/06/12 20:41:00 Nicholas Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie09/06/12 11:26:00 David Devons
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie09/06/12 14:18:00 Nicholas Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie09/06/12 16:53:00 Vic Condon
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie09/06/12 20:29:00 Andrew Wilson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie09/06/12 23:46:00 James Stuart
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 08:19:00 Sue Hammond
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 07:23:00 Sarah Roberts
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 08:22:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 09:58:00 Nicholas Evans
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 11:22:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 11:27:00 Nicholas Evans
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 11:30:00 Sue Hammond
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 11:30:00 Guy Cameron
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 11:47:00 David Austin
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 14:39:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 11:55:00 Peter Carpenter
                                                                     Wet, wet, wet10/06/12 12:23:00 John Cameron
                                                                        Re:Wet, wet, wet10/06/12 14:29:00 David Austin
                                                                           WPCC meetings10/06/12 14:43:00 Jonathan Callaway
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 14:42:00 Lucille Grant
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 14:55:00 David Austin
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 15:23:00 Roland Gilmore
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 15:27:00 Peter Carpenter
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 19:10:00 James Stuart
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 19:18:00 Peter Carpenter
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 20:25:00 Andrew Wilson
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Definition of a lie10/06/12 21:14:00 James Stuart
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital10/06/12 21:57:00 Vic Condon
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital11/06/12 13:43:00 Andrew Wilson
         Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital11/06/12 19:41:00 James Stuart
            WPCC 11/06/12 20:06:00 John Cameron
               Re:WPCC 11/06/12 21:39:00 James Stuart
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 13:57:00 Jenny Featherstone
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 14:16:00 Peter Carpenter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 14:18:00 Bernard Lopper
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 17:13:00 Roland Gilmore
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 17:22:00 Andrew Wilson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 17:38:00 Caroline Whitehead
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 18:15:00 Andrew Wilson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital12/06/12 18:57:00 James Stuart
                           Save Elliott School, submission to WBC12/06/12 20:02:00 John Cameron
                              Re:Save Elliott School, submission to WBC12/06/12 20:40:00 Andrew Wilson
                              Free Schools - A cause for concern12/06/12 20:41:00 John Cameron
                                 Re:Free Schools - A cause for concern12/06/12 21:52:00 Roland Gilmore
                                    Re:Re:Free Schools - A cause for concern12/06/12 23:10:00 Bernard Lopper
                                       Re:Re:Re:Free Schools - A cause for concern13/06/12 07:57:00 John Cameron
                                       The impact of free schools and some new projections from WBC13/06/12 11:46:00 Nicholas Evans
                                    Re:Re:Free Schools - A cause for concern13/06/12 00:41:00 Sarah Roberts
   Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital15/06/12 00:13:00 Vic Condon
      Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital15/06/12 11:39:00 Victoria Richardson
         Re:Re:Re:Continuation thread for Putney Hospital15/06/12 12:18:00 Lucille Grant
         WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 12:34:00 Nicholas Evans
            Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 12:46:00 Jane Holland
               Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 13:27:00 Lucille Grant
                  Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 16:56:00 Andrew Wilson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 17:43:00 Nicholas Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 18:16:00 Andrew Wilson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 19:25:00 Rufus Hill
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 19:45:00 Mairi Anne Bowen
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 20:13:00 James Stuart
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 20:56:00 Rufus Hill
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 21:29:00 James Stuart
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 22:07:00 Stephen Walker
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC Annual Meeting15/06/12 22:22:00 Marjorie Ponsonby
   Maddan's views about the Conservators in 200615/06/12 22:10:00 James Stuart
      Re:Maddan's views about the Conservators in 200616/06/12 08:44:00 John Cameron
         Maddan shooting himself in the foot16/06/12 14:26:00 Andrew Wilson
            Re:Maddan shooting himself in the foot16/06/12 14:46:00 Lucille Grant
   WPCC and Putney Lower Common - an attempt at clarification18/06/12 11:44:00 Nicholas Evans
      Re:WPCC and Putney Lower Common - an attempt at clarification18/06/12 12:47:00 Caroline Whitehead
         Re:Re:WPCC and Putney Lower Common - an attempt at clarification18/06/12 12:55:00 Guy Cameron
            Re:Re:Re:WPCC and Putney Lower Common - an attempt at clarification18/06/12 19:36:00 Andrew Wilson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:WPCC and Putney Lower Common - an attempt at clarification18/06/12 21:10:00 Nicholas Evans
                  Putney Hospital application to be considered by PAC on 16th of July19/06/12 15:35:00 Nicholas Evans
                     Re:Putney Hospital application to be considered by PAC on 16th of July19/06/12 22:26:00 John Cameron
   Trebles all round20/06/12 13:01:00 John Cameron
      Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 14:07:00 Stephen Walker
         Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 15:39:00 Roland Gilmore
            Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 15:45:00 Matt Palmer
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 15:56:00 Stephen Walker
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 16:29:00 Nicholas Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 17:01:00 Thomas Newton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 18:21:00 Andrew Wilson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 18:33:00 Matt Palmer
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 18:38:00 Caroline Whitehead
                              Trebles all round20/06/12 19:03:00 John Cameron
                                 Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 19:30:00 Stephen Walker
                                 Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 19:39:00 Caroline Whitehead
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round20/06/12 19:39:00 Stephen Walker
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trebles all round22/06/12 09:49:00 Sarah Roberts
   Brandlehow Primary School21/06/12 11:02:00 Nicholas Evans
   Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 11:29:00 John Cameron
      Re:Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 12:39:00 Nicholas Evans
         Re:Re:Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 12:51:00 John Cameron
      Re:Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 13:34:00 Stephen Walker
         Re:Re:Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 14:35:00 Sarah Roberts
            Re:Re:Re:Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 15:29:00 Stephen Walker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Local councillors' backing up residents.....not22/06/12 16:09:00 Matt Palmer
   An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions25/06/12 14:00:00 Nicholas Evans
      The Councillors reply (28/06/2012)29/06/12 12:39:00 Nicholas Evans
         Re:The Councillors reply (28/06/2012)29/06/12 18:16:00 Andrew Wilson
            Re:Re:The Councillors reply (28/06/2012)29/06/12 20:58:00 Nicholas Evans
               :The Councillors reply (28/06/2012) 29/06/12 22:33:00 John Cameron
      Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 17:04:00 Jeremy Matthews
         Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 17:44:00 Nicholas Evans
            Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 18:03:00 Sam Curtis
               Re:Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 18:52:00 Andrew Wilson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 22:20:00 Caroline Whitehead
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 22:44:00 Vic Condon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 23:03:00 Andrew Wilson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 23:26:00 Sarah Roberts
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions28/06/12 23:31:00 Sarah Roberts
                              :An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions29/06/12 08:11:00 John Cameron
                                 Re::An "Open Letter" to Thamesfield Councillors calls for n open meeting and declaration of their positions29/06/12 12:45:00 John Horrocks
   Why the Councillors got it all wrong30/06/12 15:08:00 Nicholas Evans

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