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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars
Posted by: Richard Carter
Date/Time: 13/02/19 23:09:00

Only thing in your post, Ivonne, that I would challenge is the statement that "The first thing that people say is ban cars." Actually, I don't think anyone has said that (certainly not here on the forum), what we're arguing for - it's even on the heading - is that we need to reduce our reliance on the car.

As Ruth says, the way the car is dominating our lives is horrendous; a small example: have a look at a photo of a typical town street from, say, the 1950s and compare it with one taken today (I've seen such comparisons but I can't put a finger on one just now): the way cars have taken over the road space is devastating. The car has brought great benefits - but at a terrible price in reduced health and life generally.

Actually, another point about PHS: you say, rightly, that to stop cars going through PHS  would merely displace them elsewhere, so that our benefit would be gained at the expense of people where the traffic was displaced to. The answer, though, is to reduce flows through PHS *and other areas too* in a parallel exercise in traffic reduction. It's commonly argued that if you reduce traffic in some ares it will merely crop up somewhere else, but that makes the basic error of assuming the the volume of traffic is fixed. It isn't: levels are dynamic, and if it's more difficult to drive then some will be put off, depending on the level  of difficulty.

That's why the traditional solution of making it flow more quickly is so wrong, because if you improve the flow it only encourages those presently deterred from joining the road and thus reproducing pollution as before, but with more cars. That's why an overall solution is needed (road pricing is one way of reducing the number of vehicles on the roads) but the big if is whether governments have the guts to confront the car lobby, and so far none have, not here anyway.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Reducing our reliance on cars10/02/19 15:20:00 Richard Carter
   Re:Reducing our reliance on cars10/02/19 16:09:00 Bunny Payne
      Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars10/02/19 16:10:00 Bunny Payne
         Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars10/02/19 17:45:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars10/02/19 22:01:00 Clare Noeken
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars11/02/19 14:50:00 Richard Carter
   Re:Reducing our reliance on cars10/02/19 16:53:00 Ivonne Holliday
      Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars11/02/19 20:32:00 Bunny Payne
         Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars11/02/19 22:24:00 Ivonne Holliday
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars13/02/19 22:49:00 Ruth Pates
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars13/02/19 23:09:00 Richard Carter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 10:45:00 David Ainsworth
                  A really interesting idea to attack pollution round schools14/02/19 16:00:00 Richard Carter
                     Re:A really interesting idea to attack pollution round schools14/02/19 16:12:00 Peter Miles
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 17:21:00 Ivonne Holliday
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 17:34:00 Emarisa Battoia
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 20:22:00 Michael Ixer
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 22:32:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 22:33:00 Ivonne Holliday
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 22:56:00 Michael Ixer
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars14/02/19 23:09:00 Ivonne Holliday
   Other people are always the problem15/02/19 09:16:00 David Parker
      Re:Other people are always the problem15/02/19 10:11:00 Sue Hammond
      Re:Other people are always the problem15/02/19 10:15:00 Richard Carter
         Re:Re:Other people are always the problem15/02/19 12:08:00 David Parker
   Re:Reducing our reliance on cars15/02/19 17:50:00 Barbara Stevens
      Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars15/02/19 18:22:00 Craig Fordham
         Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars15/02/19 22:25:00 Barbara Stevens
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars15/02/19 23:06:00 Ruth Pates
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars16/02/19 15:10:00 David Parker
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars17/02/19 19:02:00 Ruth Pates
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 07:10:00 Richard Carter
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 09:28:00 Peter Miles
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 09:37:00 Richard Carter
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 10:58:00 Andy Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 12:48:00 Martine Guy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 23:25:00 Ruth Pates
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reducing our reliance on cars04/03/19 09:09:00 Richard Carter
   Re:Reducing our reliance on cars22/02/19 17:46:00 Michael Ixer

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