| Topic: | Reply | |
| Posted by: | Michael Ixer | |
| Date/Time: | 17/01/26 15:23:00 |
I'm not sure this discussion is going anywhere. I obviously disagree with Mr Hawkes on a number of issues but I'm not sure working for IBM circa 1970 onwards would warrant branding anyone a facist or Nazi? Yes, IBM's German subsidiary apparently did assist the Third Reich with census data that enabled in the identification of jews, and aided the Holocaust, and it seens IBM's New York office was aware of this. Interestingly, I understand the machines were leased to the Third Reich so apparently, at least pre WWII, there was likely money fed back regularly to the US but to be honest I'm unaware of the details. However, when I wrote my first computer programs at IC in the early 70s to run on an IBM7094 I don't think I or any of my fellow students gave any consideration to the politics of the company other than, like CDC the other major systems at IC and London University, they were built by commercial US companies for a profit. Rather that criticise one individual, shouldn't we criticise all the major UK companies, government departments, universities, etc that invested in IBM systems (often instead of buying British ICL systems backin the 1970s/80s) and whose procurement departments would have looked at IBM's commercial background? I don't think at that time IBM's involvement with the Third Reich was known and I guess the senior management had changed since the war? I think most criticism of IBM I remember was its aggressive sales force, trying to perpetuate the "no one ever got fired for buying IBM"? And that certainly wasn't the case of IBM PCs with the rise of Compaq and other IBM compatible PCs. Also interesting, that in the late 80s I think I was supporting my company's application solution to a prospective customer on an IBM RS/6000 while the two competitors were proposing applications based on an IBM AS400 and IBM Series/1 (or was it an IBM9370, it was several decades ago). And, as the Artemis rocket heads for the launch pad and a return to the Moon, perhaps remember the US space programme was built on the knowledge of Germans who build the V1 and V2s that were aimed at London? I think a lot of people in the US didn’t want to get involved in WWII, and my understanding is many might have had pro German sympathies (that's where some emigrated from to the US) but time moves on ... Over and out, as these discussions are becoming a waste of time. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Iran | 13/01/26 22:50:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Iran | 14/01/26 10:41:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Iran | 14/01/26 11:01:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Iran | 14/01/26 11:00:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Iran | 14/01/26 12:34:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Iran | 14/01/26 22:58:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Iran | 14/01/26 23:05:00 | David Ainsworth |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:32:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 07:29:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 08:26:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:03:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:14:00 | Robert Wheeler |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:18:00 | Lucille Grant |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:26:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:27:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:59:00 | John Hawkes |
| From far beyond the reach of reason | 15/01/26 12:01:00 | David Ainsworth |
| Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 15/01/26 12:21:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 08:51:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 11:13:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 12:15:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 13:30:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 14:19:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 15:39:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 16:35:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Reply | 16/01/26 16:52:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 16/01/26 17:16:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 17:10:00 | Andy Pike |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:From far beyond the reach of reason | 16/01/26 17:15:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Reply | 16/01/26 21:58:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Reply | 17/01/26 09:47:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 10:32:00 | Andy Pike |
| Reply | 17/01/26 11:19:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Reply | 17/01/26 12:14:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 12:36:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 12:47:00 | Sue Hammond |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 12:05:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 12:31:00 | Andy Pike |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 12:34:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 13:41:00 | Andy Pike |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 14:20:00 | Lucille Grant |
| Reply | 17/01/26 15:23:00 | Michael Ixer |
| Re:Reply | 17/01/26 16:01:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 17/01/26 16:13:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Reply | 18/01/26 14:52:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 18/01/26 17:58:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 18/01/26 19:03:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Reply | 17/01/26 15:30:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 18:19:00 | Lucille Grant |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 11:56:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 13:01:00 | Gerry Boyce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 15/01/26 13:37:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Iran | 15/01/26 16:03:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 11:01:00 | Steven Rose |
| Re:Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 11:29:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 12:03:00 | David Ainsworth |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 13:57:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 16:56:00 | John Hawkes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 17:17:00 | Michael Brigo |
| Re:Re:Iran | 16/01/26 11:07:00 | John Hawkes |