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Topic: Re:Re:Safe Cycling
Posted by: John Kettlekey
Date/Time: 16/05/24 16:07:00

Not only that, it just replaces the existing offence of "Wanton and furious cycling" which, despite being a quite old law it was still valid and had a 100% conviction rate when applied. That old offence had a maximum term of 2 years, but no-one has ever been given that maximum sentence anyway so increasing the theoretical maximum sentence to 14 years isn't really going to do much.

If you want offences to be on a par with motor vehicle drivers then expect such tough penalties as a £180 fine for having bald tires and skidding into a group of cyclists and killing 4 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/driver-who-killed-four-cyclists-636552), or 100 hours of community service for a lorry driver who killed a cyclist (https://news.stv.tv/west-central/lorry-driver-handed-community-sentence-for-killing-cyclist-in-glasgow).

This change in offence will do nothing for day-to-day cycling.

No-one is going to stop going through red lights because of this new offence. They're only going to stop doing that if there is a risk that they will get into trouble (stopped by police, fined, etc), which is unlikely given the current level of enforcement.

You only have to think of how many times people complain about cyclists going through red lights, and how few deaths per year there are caused by cyclists. (Spoiler for the video below, more people a year are killed in the UK by lightning or cows than they are by cyclists.)

It's worth listening to Chris Boardman's take on this from earlier today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0hyb4h7


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Safe Cycling16/05/24 09:52:00 Alexander MacLeod
   Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 10:02:00 Barbara Stevens
   Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 15:18:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 16:07:00 John Kettlekey
         Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 16:36:00 Barbara Stevens
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 16:59:00 John Kettlekey
      Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 16:33:00 Barbara Stevens
         Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 18:22:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 16:39:00 Barbara Stevens
         Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 17:11:00 Alexander MacLeod
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 18:15:00 Richard Carter
      Re:Re:Safe Cycling16/05/24 19:38:00 Ed Robinson
         Reply17/05/24 11:09:00 Michael Ixer
      Re:Re:Safe Cycling17/05/24 10:44:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling17/05/24 11:51:00 Richard Carter
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling17/05/24 11:56:00 Barbara Stevens
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling17/05/24 14:27:00 Ivonne Holliday
         Reply17/05/24 12:46:00 Michael Ixer
            Re:Reply18/05/24 00:59:00 Ed Robinson
               Cycle speed on Thames Path to be reduced for safety18/05/24 13:46:00 Ed Robinson
   Re:Safe Cycling23/05/24 19:45:00 John Kettlekey
      Re:Re:Safe Cycling24/05/24 08:26:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Safe Cycling24/05/24 23:08:00 Ed Robinson

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