| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | |
| Posted by: | Michael Winstanley | |
| Date/Time: | 01/08/21 19:25:00 |
| Well there's a classic piece of whataboutery if ever I saw one. Other people wander of topic so that means you should? These people on the dinghies are not sneaking off to hide somewhere and work in a sweatshop or as a drug mule. They declare themselves to the authorities and claim asylum. It is then up to the UK legal system to determine whether they are genuine refugees under the law, not to you. A British court decides whether they are genuine refugees. That should be good enough for anyone. In this context it should be recognised that any honest refugee would like to earn a living/contribute to the country that takes them in. You may wish to then term them "economic migrants" which is something of a slur - but show me some non-economic migrants - you know the refugees that want to live off the state that takes them in for ever and a day rather than make a living for themselves. Then much is made, repeatedly, of the predominance of young adults and of males in these dinghies. Well how many female children do you think are going to get this far? How many oap's. You should realise that in the countries they come from, the majority of people are young, unlike our aging population. You should also appreciate that refugee families deliberately send their fittest and most able on ahead to establish a bridgehead. You would do the same. If a young male establishes a valid asylum claim, his family can then come later under family reunion migration laws. According to news reports, 97% of the dinghy folk have valid asylum claims. The majority come from Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, ie are genuine refugees. You may object that they come this far instead of stopping in the first safe country they come to. But international law allows them to do that. The majority do actually stop before they get this far. Thus as a nation we receive tiny numbers of asylum applicants relative to the number of refugees setting out originally from these countries. Our main strategy as a nation is to make it difficult for people to turn up here in the first place and claim their legitimate right to asylum. The traffickers enable refugees to take this final step, in exchange for money and whilst putting said refugees at risk. Is this ethical? Certainly not - the traffickers are not acting ethically. Let's not take that out on the refugees though. In a perfect world they could present their legitimate claim to asylum in the UK without first having to risk being drowned. That to me is the real issue. |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply Refugees & Migrants | 31/07/21 00:05:00 | Michael Winstanley |
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| Re:Re:Reply | 30/07/21 23:27:00 | Mike Essam |
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| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 31/07/21 09:56:00 | Philippa Bond |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 31/07/21 10:27:00 | Jess Davis |
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| Re:Re:Reply | 01/08/21 20:30:00 | Jess Davis |
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